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Relevant letters ex The Australian Magazine June 1 - 2 2013

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Relevant letters ex The Australian Magazine June 1 - 2 2013
Breaking the silence
The sexual abuse of children is a crime that transcends religion and cultures ("The shunned" May 18-19). I was moved to tears at what Zephaniah and Manny Waks have gone through. Fanaticism and "tradition" have meant more to this community than being loving and supportive.
Justine BrindleDrummoyne, NSW
Firstly let me congratulate you on your article. However, I would like to clarify a statement attributed to me that is misleading. The article gives the impression I am of the view that 95 per cent of the rabbinate believe that child sexual abuse should be dealt with in-house. In fact I believe that the vast majority of rabbis in Australia firmly support the immediate reporting of child abuse to the police. This was always the official stance of the Organisation of Rabbis of Australia. This misinterpretation may have arisen because my abhorrence of child sexual abuse is such that when I am interviewed about it I become emotional, and as a result my expression may not be as clear and precise as it should be.
David Freilich OAMChief Rabbi, Perth Hebrew Congregation
Manny Waks, you have my utmost admiration for speaking out against sexual predators. All power to you and your dad for standing up for what's right.
Liz BrownForrestfield, WA
I was moved by the courage of Manny Waks in coming forward on his experiences of abuse. Child abuse is not the only area in which the Jewish rabbinate have let down their congregants. Specifically, the process of a Jewish divorce is heavily biased and open to emotional and religious pressure for the two parties to settle in the Jewish way. Given that the rabbis are all males this seems out of touch in today's age, regardless of tradition. Sometimes tradition just gets it wrong.
Allen BolaffiAdelaide, SA

THE WORDS BELOW ARE THE LAST FEW PARAGRAPHS OF THE SHUNNED ARTICLE: INEXCUSABLE!!!

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THE WORDS BELOW ARE THE LAST FEW PARAGRAPHS OF THE SHUNNED ARTICLE: INEXCUSABLE!!!
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On the wall of the Waks' living room hangs a photo of Zephaniah's father Leo, a dashing character in a fedora, without any of the sartorial garb favoured by contemporary orthodox men. "That guy there," he says of his father, "was an engineering student in Berlin when Hitler came to power. His degree has a swastika on it. He knew what was going on but he refused to buckle as he watched the salute rising higher and higher, and a little of his determination sits inside me. I'm not moving out of here until I want to move."
The pressure mounts. "It's very unpleasant. You can't believe this is 2013 in Australia. You can't believe it," he says. I ask, what has hurt him most? Not the sudden withdrawal of the old friend he once accompanied to study sessions. "He's always been a weakling.I'm not surprised he buckled to pressure. The thing that bothers me most about this is seeing good people doing nothing." He nods at the portrait of his father and the consequences of allowing evil to thrive.
When he walks me outside to my car, the Yeshivah Centre looms across the street and I almost expect security to arrest Zephaniah for refusing to shut up. But the shunning works in subtler ways. Despite the warmth of the sun, I feel a shiver up my spine.

Karoly's regal bias - Cut and paste - 4/6/13

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Once again, Aunty saves us from the danger of hearing wrong-headed 'scientists'

WHO cares about peer-reviewed articles? What we need is a concert by Bono to save the planet.
One-sided condemnation. ABC radio's AM yesterday:
TONY Eastley: One of Australia's most senior climate 
scientists is highly critical of Canadian research (by 
professor Qing-Bin Lu) suggesting a re-think on the 
reason behind global warning ...
David Karoly: My assessment of this is the study is
 completely wrong.
Another assessment. Award-winning site Science Daily, May 30:
THE findings are based on in-depth statistical analyses of observed data from 1850 up to the present time ... Lu's theory has been confirmed by ongoing observations ... Terry McMahon, dean of the faculty of science (said): "This research is of particular importance not only to the research community, but to policy makers and the public ... "
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The People's Cube, December 27, 2009:
I DENOUNCE Qing-Bin Lu of Waterloo University ... Comrades, this garbage is not credible. In the first place, this "scientist" Qing-Bin Lu is attempting to use observations and measurements to back up his wrongheaded theory! ... In the second place, this theory blames the problem of global warming on CFCs, a problem which the government has already regulated; what the hell good is that? How does a problem which has already been solved help us gain power and control and further bolster our egos? ... this proves this man is no scientist, for a real scientist would not allow millions of dollars of grant money ... to go down the drain by saying "Gee, the problem is already solved." This is the mark of a lunatic, not a scientist. So this Qing-Bin Lu fraud has written a "paper" which was published in the "prestigious" online journal Physics Reports. Has Ed Begley or Leonardo DiCaprio peer-reviewed this paper? Has Bono given a concert to fund it? Has Prince Charles flown himself and a small army of attendants thousands of miles so he could have someone explain it to him? ... Until these things happen, Waterloo University, you dare not call this garbage "science".
ABC fact-checker designate Russell Skelton retweets Mia Freedman, October 9, 2012:
THIS column by @Paul-Sheehan- originally said "he (TA) raised 3 daughters, something she (JG) was unable to do #vomit.
Is that a fact? Paul Sheehan, The Sydney Morning Herald yesterday:
AT least Freedman had the decency to publish a retraction after the Herald's news director pointed out that this was a fabrication. Skelton, the ABC's fact-checker-in-chief, did not check the lie. He just passed it on, and let it stand, unchecked, uncorrected and unpleasant.
Tony Abbott with Hayden and Karen, Bay FM Geelong, May 6:
HAYDEN: You made a comment in the paper today that you would like to see more major commonwealth agencies headquartered here in Geelong ...
Abbott: ... it is going to be a matter for the board of the NDIS but should they choose Geelong I would think that would be a pretty good choice.
Labor MP Gai Brodtmann responds, Canberra Times, May 7:
REMEMBER 1996 when house prices fell, we lost 15,000 public servants ... that's the future vision that the Coalition has for Canberra.
PM's press release yesterday:
THE Gillard and Victorian governments announced today that the head office of DisabilityCare Australia will be located in Geelong.
Who's playing politics with asbestos? Parliament, yesterday:
PM: I am a little bit surprised that (Mr Abbott) would choose to play politics with (asbestos) but (then again) this is the same person who insulted Bernie Banton on his deathbed ...
Bill Shorten at a press conference yesterday:
WHILST one shouldn't point score, a search of Hansard for the last nine years shows that the opposition communications minister does not mention asbestos until last Thursday.

Phillip Adams - PM bent on leading ALP over the abyss

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PM bent on leading ALP over the abyss


WHILE the Abbotts are measuring the curtains for the Lodge, the ALP is sewing shrouds. Latest estimates? An opposition numbered in the low 20s.
Private polling (not that the figures will be revealed by the PM's praetorian guard) shows that Victorian voters have now deserted Julia Gillard and we're looking at swings similar to those that obliterated the party in NSW: more than 20 per cent in safe seats.
September won't be so much an election as an exorcism. It wouldn't help if the Prime Minister guaranteed eternal life. No one's listening. Remember the last days of John Howard?
Which is why a lengthening number of Labor heavies have told Gillard, publicly or privately, that she has to go. The heaviest won't admit it publicly, but we're talking the aristocracy as well as the apparatchiks. Bob Carr and Simon Crean have not been alone. - But Gillard's not for moving. Having led Labor to the edge of the abyss at the previous election, she's now doing a Thelma, with Wayne Swan as Louise, and pressing on the accelerator.
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The MPs in the back seat know they're doomed but are gutless and fatalistic. Knowing that the post-election caucus could number in the low 20s, they're preparing escape routes. A lucky few can return to jobs in the right-wing unions. The rest? To oblivion and anonymity. And it wasn't much fun while it lasted.
It's not policy with the PM. It's personal. Truth is that since the Menzies and Whitlam eras our federal elections have been increasingly presidential. And September forces angry voters to choose between the most unpopular presidential contenders in memory. But not even Tony Abbott's electoral toxicity can save Gillard. There's no sense of hope in the future, - as there was with Obama v Bush. This is just politics. Of a sort that, like the presidential candidates, few respect.
On the night of the coup against Kevin Rudd I broadcast the view that "the ALP has just committed suicide". That's when Gillard lost the previous election, and the next. Like Malcolm Fraser after his coup, Gillard was stained by hers. Despite the sense of entitlement that had him conspiring with John Kerr, and his landslide win, Fraser would end his time in office tormented by self-doubt. Which explains much of his ongoing efforts to rehabilitate and reform his reputation. I don't think Gillard will feel like that. This is not a self-reflective person. She's still deluded that she can win. It's not a delusion that anyone shares.
It's not policy, it's personal. Some of her policy work has been impressive. It's not because of her erratic tactics. It's not because of the economy, which could be a lot, lot worse. And it's certainly not because the PM's a woman. The rejection of Gillard is deeper, more profound. Thus, not everyone who has said "it's time to go" has been in the Rudd camp - though the latest to announce the end to a significant career, Martin Ferguson, is as much pro-Rudd as anti-Gillard. (It's surprising he didn't call publicly for her resignation on his way out the door.)
The ALP needs a new leader, who may or may not be Rudd. One could say as much of the Libs, but not even Tony Abbott can discourage the exorcism. And perhaps his friend Cardinal George Pell can help with the ritual.
Of course Rudd should have run. With Bill Shorten ready to switch sides, he would have come close. Now everyone seems frozen in time, posing in a terminal tableau. The press and pundits are too afraid to talk leadership change - Hartcher, Richo and Adams were amongst the many caught out.
Now Rudd would be one of a number of possibilities, any of whom would improve the electoral math. Were Gillard the leader she believes herself to be, she'd resign for the sake of the party. As some surprising people have told her in private.
Phillip Adams is a columnist in The Weekend Australian Magazine.

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Last Post, June 4



RATHER than defending an Australian Press Council decision ("Freedom of expression is of fundamental importance", 3/6), Derek Wilding's first priority as executive director should be to explain to the Australian public why it took the council more than 12 months to come to make a simple decision.
Riley Brown, Bondi Beach, NSW
The only point I can take from the letter by the executive director of the APC, Derek Wilding, is that every now and then an example needs to be made of someone. This time Bill Leak just happened to be that someone.
Chris Topovsek, Noosaville, Qld
Your letter-writer (3/6) is right about those nasty wind farms spoiling the countryside. Perhaps what the agricultural areas need are more of those nice coal-fired power stations?
Glenn Wood, Bardon, Qld
James McDonald (Letters, 3/6) suggests Julia Gillard could have become Victorian premier and introduced a model education system. Please don't give her ideas, James.
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Claire Jolliffe, Buderim, Qld
David Anderson (Letters, 3/6) says Tony Abbott showed some guts in walking away from the electoral funding bill agreement. Wasn't it because the opposition MPs' phones and email inboxes were jammed with protests?
Roseanne Schneider, Yeronga, Qld
OK, Prime Minister, now tell me us if we should worry about a CFC tax.
Phil Armstrong, Doonan, Qld
When she announced the September 14 election date, Julia Gillard stated the period in between would not be used for campaigning. Has she done anything but campaign?
John Scardigno, Adelaide, SA
457 visas don't come in Weeties packets. As well as targeting dodgy employers, I hope the government will also investigate the public servants who are approving shonky applications. 
Trevor Hay, Nannup, WA
The upcoming federal election will be a referendum on Australia's price on carbon pollution, the single issue dividing the two major parties.
Geoff Parr, West Hobart, Tas
Bill Leak, you've said it all and made us smile as well. There's no one who could ape your unique style. 
Judi Cox, Springfield, Qld
What's all this talk of a female candidate for Batman ("Female force emerges to challenge 'faceless' man", 3/6)? Would that mean she'd have a Wonder Girl as a sidekick?
Justin Baulch, Graceville, Qld

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Cut and paste 4/6 Once again, Aunty saves us from the danger of hearing wrong-headed 'scientists'

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Once again, Aunty saves us from the danger of hearing wrong-headed 'scientists'

WHO cares about peer-reviewed articles? What we need is a concert by Bono to save the planet.
One-sided condemnation. ABC radio's AM yesterday:
TONY Eastley: One of Australia's most senior climate scientists is highly critical of Canadian research (by professor Qing-Bin Lu) suggesting a re-think on the reason behind global warning ...
David Karoly: My assessment of this is the study is completely wrong.
Another assessment. Award-winning site Science Daily, May 30:
THE findings are based on in-depth statistical analyses of observed data from 1850 up to the present time ... Lu's theory has been confirmed by ongoing observations ... Terry McMahon, dean of the faculty of science (said): "This research is of particular importance not only to the research community, but to policy makers and the public ... "
The People's Cube, December 27, 2009:
I DENOUNCE Qing-Bin Lu of Waterloo University ... Comrades, this garbage is not credible. In the first place, this "scientist" Qing-Bin Lu is attempting to use observations and measurements to back up his wrongheaded theory! ... In the second place, this theory blames the problem of global warming on CFCs, a problem which the government has already regulated; what the hell good is that? How does a problem which has already been solved help us gain power and control and further bolster our egos? ... this proves this man is no scientist, for a real scientist would not allow millions of dollars of grant money ... to go down the drain by saying "Gee, the problem is already solved." This is the mark of a lunatic, not a scientist. So this Qing-Bin Lu fraud has written a "paper" which was published in the "prestigious" online journal Physics Reports. Has Ed Begley or Leonardo DiCaprio peer-reviewed this paper? Has Bono given a concert to fund it? Has Prince Charles flown himself and a small army of attendants thousands of miles so he could have someone explain it to him? ... Until these things happen, Waterloo University, you dare not call this garbage "science".
ABC fact-checker designate Russell Skelton retweets Mia Freedman, October 9, 2012:
THIS column by @Paul-Sheehan- originally said "he (TA) raised 3 daughters, something she (JG) was unable to do #vomit.
Is that a fact? Paul Sheehan, The Sydney Morning Herald yesterday:
AT least Freedman had the decency to publish a retraction after the Herald's news director pointed out that this was a fabrication. Skelton, the ABC's fact-checker-in-chief, did not check the lie. He just passed it on, and let it stand, unchecked, uncorrected and unpleasant.
Tony Abbott with Hayden and Karen, Bay FM Geelong, May 6:
HAYDEN: You made a comment in the paper today that you would like to see more major commonwealth agencies headquartered here in Geelong ...
Abbott: ... it is going to be a matter for the board of the NDIS but should they choose Geelong I would think that would be a pretty good choice.
Labor MP Gai Brodtmann responds, Canberra Times, May 7:
REMEMBER 1996 when house prices fell, we lost 15,000 public servants ... that's the future vision that the Coalition has for Canberra.
PM's press release yesterday:
THE Gillard and Victorian governments announced today that the head office of DisabilityCare Australia will be located in Geelong.
Who's playing politics with asbestos? Parliament, yesterday:
PM: I am a little bit surprised that (Mr Abbott) would choose to play politics with (asbestos) but (then again) this is the same person who insulted Bernie Banton on his deathbed ...
Bill Shorten at a press conference yesterday:
WHILST one shouldn't point score, a search of Hansard for the last nine years shows that the opposition communications minister does not mention asbestos until last Thursday.

Editorial - 4/6 NBN process should have avoided the asbestos crisis

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NBN process should have avoided the asbestos crisis
ONE of the great unfathomables of our national political debate is what the Minister for Communications, Stephen Conroy, might have learnt, and how the nation might have profited, had he followed prudent processes and commissioned a cost-benefit analysis before proceeding with the $36 billion National Broadband Network. That he didn't, and has offered no satisfactory explanation or received any apparent admonition, says much about the habitual failures in policy delivery of this government.
It is reasonable to assume such an analysis would have identified a legacy issue such as up to two million Telstra pits containing asbestos which now present substantial safety issues for the NBN rollout. Given that Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten was aware of asbestos issues in Telstra infrastructure in 2009 - when the NBN was first mooted - and that NBN Co itself has long known of asbestos issues, it is extraordinary that proper procedures were agreed at a crisis meeting only yesterday. Senator Conroy is quick to point out that Telstra assumes full responsibility, yet surely a thorough consideration of the NBN would have identified the safety risks and cost implications of asbestos.
The deadly health implications of asbestos contamination should be beyond partisan politics, with voters entitled to expect open information and impeccable protection measures. Yet given the NBN rollout has generated a series of new asbestos incidents and triggered a redesign of protocols and procedures, it is only reasonable that the government is open to scrutiny over its handling of this issue, including through parliamentary processes. Sadly, it has taken media exposure of asbestos incidents during the NBN rollout - by Ray Hadley at radio station 2GB and The Australian - to prompt this belated remedial action.
Mr Shorten has a long history of pushing for asbestos safety, and certainly his knowledge in 2009 pre-dated political responsibilities for workplace policy and came at a time when the NBN was in its infancy. However, now that he is the Workplace Relations Minister, it demonstrates how the government should have been more focused on this issue when the NBN Co struck a deal for access to Telstra infrastructure two years ago. Again, it suggests better processes would have identified the issue earlier and, presumably, prevented some of the unsafe practices and potential risks.
The asbestos issue will undoubtedly play into the policy debate about the NBN's failure to meet its fibre-to-the-premises rollout targets, potential for cost overruns and the political contest over the opposition's cheaper fibre-to-the-node alternative. While engineers re-examine plans it is possible the rollout could be modified in areas where infrastructure is contaminated. This has given Malcolm Turnbull an opportunity to spruik the advantages of his plan to leave much of the copper network in place. "The approach that we're taking would not give rise to these problems, or at least not to anything like the same extent," he says, "because you are not disturbing all of those pits." There is an inherent logic in his argument and we hope that Senator Conroy, having missed earlier opportunities for proper process, will not hesitate to consider the safety and cost benefits of fibre-to-the-node in appropriate areas.

Front page The OZ: NBN asbestos scare spreads as Labor blames Telstra

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NBN asbestos scare spreads as Labor blames Telstra

LABOR is fighting off new safety fears over its National Broadband Network as more cases of asbestos exposure during its construction fuel a growing political brawl over the management and cost of the $37.4 billion project.
The health risks spread to all mainland states yesterday after the Queensland safety regulator revealed three new incidents and federal authority Comcare warned of an "alarming" spate of asbestos safety breaches by contractors.
While Labor sought to blame Telstra for the failures, the Coalition declared the government and its agency, NBN Co, bore ultimate responsibility for managing the risk to public health.
An emergency meeting in Canberra yesterday confirmed the scale of the problem as NBN contractors rebuild many of the eight million pits on the Telstra network, of which 10 to 20 per cent contain asbestos.
Workplace Minister Bill Shorten emerged from a meeting with Telstra chief executive David Thodey and NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley and others to announce a national register of network asbestos incidents and a taskforce to oversee safety checks.
The political fight turned personal in parliament as Julia Gillard accused Tony Abbott of insulting asbestos campaigner Bernie Banton and Mr Shorten faced questions over whether he did enough to prepare for the NBN safety challenges when letters revealed he had known of the asbestos problems four years ago.
The Queensland government yesterday confirmed the state regulator had found "serious breaches" of workplace safety at three NBN rollout sites, including one instance where a high pressure water hose was used to clean a communications pit containing asbestos.
The cases - in the central Queensland city of Mackay and the northside Brisbane suburbs of Banyo and Carseldine - added to asbestos exposures at several pits in the western Sydney suburb of Penrith and poor asbestos handling at Victoria Park in Perth and Seaford in South Australia.
Comcare said it was actively investigating claims of the improper dumping of asbestos in Ballarat in regional Victoria and had put a Tasmanian contractor on notice for poor standards in training requirements and safety gear.
The federal regulator's chief executive, Paul O'Connor, told a Senate hearing yesterday that 20 incidents of asbestos mishandling at communications pits had been identified since January 1, after only 10 others in the years since 1996.
Mr O'Connor warned of "systemic issues with Telstra and NBN Co" and noted they had shared responsibility for health and safety.
"There can be the case where there is a project like this, the rollout of the National Broadband Network, that the head contractor NBN Co has accountabilities, as does Telstra as the owner of the telecommunications infrastructure, which as we know is legacy infrastructure and does include an amount of asbestos-containing material in communications throughout the country," he said.
Highlighting the health risks, an "operational directive" from NBN contractor Visionstream from September warned subcontractors to assume asbestos was present and not to use high-pressure water spray and compressed air on the materials.
The directive, obtained by The Australian, urges the construction teams to use rods and ropes to install optical fibre cable in the pits and ducts when replacing Telstra's old copper lines.
The government insisted it would reach its crucial NBN rollout targets by the September election and denied there was pressure on the project's $37.4bn budget, saying the remediation costs would be covered by Telstra.
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the safety incidents would not prevent the NBN reaching its latest rollout targets by June 30 or September 30, as he argued that Telstra had set aside $1bn to remediate its network. "So in terms of the costs to the NBN, there is no cost to the NBN of remediation by Telstra of its pits," Senator Conroy told reporters.
Telstra said when it sealed its alliance with the NBN Co that it would spend $900 million on "infrastructure and customer migration costs" as well as $600m in operational expenses on maintenance, but did not specify the outlay on asbestos removal.
Mr Turnbull said the government could not escape the ultimate responsibility for the health concerns and the increase in the project's costs. "The attempt to push this all off to Telstra is frankly a lawyer's argument," Mr Turnbull said. "The big issue here is the level of awareness of the government and the amount of attention it paid to this issue."
Mr Turnbull said the government had acted in the past week only after media attention on the asbestos exposure in Penrith.
While Telstra must remediate its pits to prepare them for the installation of fibre cable, NBN Co and its contractors can also work on the pits to "augment" them if needed.
The Australian understands that the definitive agreement between NBN Co and Telstra does not specify "augmentation" but makes it clear that NBN Co has the right to work on the infrastructure as long as it tells Telstra.
Mr Thodey said there were "hundreds of thousands" of pits to remediate over the life of the NBN. "Cost has got nothing to do with this issue, absolutely nothing. We will do what is right in terms of looking after our employees and the community," he said after the meeting in Canberra.
But he rejected talk of a mammoth legal liability for the company. "If there is anything to do with the financial implications we have a responsibility to our shareholders. We have already been very clear about that, there is nothing to be said at this point," he said.
Asked about any overlap between the Telstra and NBN Co responsibilities, Mr Thodey said there were "no questions asked" and that his company was responsible for the remediation. "We own the infrastructure, it is our responsibility, I do not resile from that in any way at all," he said.
Mr Shorten was yesterday challenged in parliament over three letters he wrote to Telstra showing he was aware of the asbestos risks in 2009. Mr Shorten asked Telstra in his 2009 letters to consider removing all its asbestos. Mr Thodey responded in December 2009 by saying a pro-active program to remove it was not justified at that point because of the cost, the risk of disturbing the material and the looming rollout of the NBN.
Mr Turnbull said he did not doubt Mr Shorten's genuine concern for workers but was "puzzled" about why the minister made no effort to follow up the matter once the NBN project was under way.
Mr Shorten said Telstra had not implemented the protocols and training in the way it promised it would. "Am I disappointed in Telstra? Yes I am," he said. "Having said that, I cannot fault David Thodey's leadership today."
Senator Conroy noted that Telstra had "put up its hand" to take full responsibility for its work but also expressed concern with NBN Co. "In a couple of areas that NBN Co have had specific work for, clearly the processes haven't been adhered to," he said. "That's disappointing and NBN Co have taken responsibility for those individual instances."

Front page The Oz: 'A lot of people use this street', says NBN victim

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'A lot of people use this street', says NBN victim
CLAIRE Clark always had doubts about the excavation work that was happening outside her home in Brisbane's north for the National Broadband Network. Now her mind is made up.
"It would be a disaster . . . a lot of people use this street," the feisty 79-year-old declared last night, after it was named as the latest suburban site suspected to have asbestos contamination linked to the NBN rollout.
Her spick and span brick home in Carseldine is one door down from a Telstra pit that was accessed by NBN construction crews in March.
Queensland Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie said two workers were seen to have had "debris" sprayed across their faces and clothing after a high-pressure hose was used to clean out the telecommunications pit on the corner of Lebelle Place and Salito Street. The concrete lids of that burrow and another across the street were still slightly ajar last night.
The Carseldine pit scare was one of three detailed yesterday by Mr Bleijie in Queensland, the latest state to be dragged into the asbestos contamination scandal.
Ms Clark said she had been concerned from the start that the work was proceeding too quickly.
"It seems like they are rushing in where angels fear to tread," she said. "I won't be signing up for the NBN."
In Penrith, in Sydney's outer west, Ian Vevers' normally quiet neighbourhood was being worked over by Telstra personnel in protective clothing, taking soil samples from pit sites.
The one directly outside his home in Evans Street was opened last month by crews laying the groundwork for the broadband system. After losing a family member to mesothelioma a decade ago in Britain, Mr Vevers said he was acutely aware of how lethal asbestos was.
"It never crossed my mind what they were doing or not doing," he told The Australian. "I was just astounded . . . I walk past that pit with my six-year-old granddaughter every day to walk to school."
Mr Bleijie said NBN contractor Silcar had been issued with prohibition and improvement notices over the three alleged breaches in Queensland between March and last month. The Victorian-based company, responsible for the rollout in parts of NSW, Queensland and ACT, did not return The Australian's calls.
Mr Bleijie said Workplace Health and Safety officials had found that the two affected workers had asbestos on their faces and clothes after the alleged incident near Ms Clark's home on March 8. They were not wearing masks or protective gear.
Then, in Mackay in central Queensland in April, Silcar workers cut a concrete pipe containing asbestos and left the dust uncontained on a public footpath for five days, Mr Bleijie alleged.
A fortnight ago, Queensland government officials found Silcar workers had failed to wear protective respirators correctly while working in a Telstra pit in Banyo, also on Brisbane's northside. It was not marked with the required asbestos warning signs.
Additional reporting: Mitchell Nadin, David Crowe

page 4: Telstra could face 'deluge of asbestos claims'

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Telstra could face 'deluge of asbestos claims'

Ian Vevers has an NBN pit outside his home and was  `astounded' to hear of asbestos dangers. Picture: Sam Mooy Source: The Australian
A POTENTIAL deluge of claims for the exposure of workers and residents to asbestos during the National Broadband Network's rollout could hit Telstra and the commonwealth.
The Australian has confirmed that under the $11 billion deal between the government, NBN Co and Telstra, Telstra could face penalties if it delays the rollout of the $37.4bn project, while a leading asbestos lawyer warned that legal liability could also fall back to the commonwealth.
"Telstra must meet timetable and fitness standards for providing access to its infrastructure for NBN Co," a Telstra spokeswoman said.
"If we don't meet these obligations, penalties may be imposed. However, we're not concerned with where things are at this stage. We are ahead of schedule."
The NBN Co has also put penalties for delays into its construction contracts.
Late yesterday, Jane McDermott, Maurice Blackburn principal in the asbestos and dust diseases practice, said the commonwealth and its workers compensation scheme, Comcare, could also face liability.
"We know Telstra and the commonwealth are well aware what these pits are constructed out of," Ms McDermott told The Australian.
"As there is no safe level of asbestos exposure, it's unforeseen the sort of liability that Telstra, the NBN Co and the commonwealth may have on account of this, that the taxpayer will have.
"What's urgently needed is an understanding of Telstra and NBN Co's public liability insurance situation, as this would be what people should need to claim on down the track, should they claim on something asbestos-related."
Last night, the Coalition echoed warnings that the NBN Co could be legally exposed, as well as Telstra, and that the asbestos issue had not been expressly addressed in the NBN Co's corporate plan.
"Telstra is obviously legally liable for what it does in its own pits," opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said.
"But you've got to remember, there is a lot of work being done in those pits by NBN contractors as well. It's in the nature of the NBN Co rollout that a lot of these pits are having to be replaced and the replacements are being done by NBN Co. It's not just a Telstra issue. It certainly exposes the NBN Co."
Mr Turnbull said the issue of asbestos would need to be addressed and the Coalition's alternative fibre-to-the-node model would raise fewer asbestos problems.
"It's just another aspect of the argument for not taking the fibre into every house; you are not disturbing all that old infrastructure."
Ms McDermott, who has been litigating asbestos claims for 12 years, said employers generally had a duty of care to provide a safe place of work.
The issue of public liability insurance was relevant to bystander exposures and workers or contractors who were not viewed as employees, she said.
While it was too soon to know whether the exposures had caused damage, if people "were to develop something down the track" they could sue, she said.
NBN Co has recently put out tenders for a request for capability for contractors to remove asbestos.
NBN Co spokesman Andrew Sholl said the health and safety of communities and workers was "our No 1 priority", but he declined to comment on whether Telstra could face penalties under the $11bn deal because "we don't comment on details of commercial contracts".

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A KEY National Broadband Network contractor has denied union claims the rollout of the super-fast internet service faces weeks of delay in Tasmania.
Yesterday Visionstream Australia rejected claims by the Communications Electrical and Plumbing Union that a failure to secure sufficient excavation permits would delay the rollout, saying the weekend suspension related to a routine audit following the death of an NBN worker.
Visionstream also defended its practices against concerns about the handling of asbestos by NBN workers at Telstra pit sites.
The Australian yesterday reported concerns by Launceston residents that asbestos appeared to have been handled unsafely during work in the suburb of Newstead at the end of April.
After an investigation by NBN and Telstra yesterday, the complainant, Bridget Arkless, said she now accepted assurances that it had been cement, not asbestos. "They've told me it was cement; I have to believe them," she said.
Communications manager Louisa Graham said Visionstream was confident there had been no risk to workers or the public. "We investigated the Newstead claims with Telstra and it was identified that there was no asbestos."

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    General Anesthesia Not Linked to Raised Risk for Dementia

    HealthDay News
    by -- Mary Elizabeth Dallas
    Updated: May 1st 2013


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    WEDNESDAY, May 1 (HealthDay News) -- Despite previous concerns, older people who receive general anesthesia are not at greater risk of developing long-term dementia or Alzheimer's disease, a new study says.
    The study, by researchers from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., involved 900 patients over the age of 45 who had dementia, a disease that affects brain functions such as memory, language, problem-solving and attention. All of the participants were residents of Olmsted County, Minn., from 1985 to 1994.
    These patients were compared to other people of similar ages living in the area who did not develop dementia during that time frame.
    About 70 percent of the study participants in both groups underwent surgery that required general anesthesia. Among patients who had already been diagnosed with dementia, there were no signs that their symptoms got worse due to receiving general anesthesia. Among those who did not have dementia, there was no evidence that they developed the disease after receiving general anesthesia, the investigators found.
    The researchers concluded that general anesthesia does not increase elderly patients' long-term risk for dementia.
    "It's reassuring we're adding to the body of knowledge that there is not an association of anesthesia and surgery with Alzheimer's," study senior author Dr. David Warner, a pediatric anesthesiologist at the Mayo Clinic, said in a Mayo news release. "There are a lot of things to worry about when an elderly person has surgery, but it seems that developing Alzheimer's isn't one of them."
    The study was published in the May 1 online edition of the journal Mayo Clinic Proceedings.
    More information
    The U.S. National Institute of General Medical Sciences has more about anesthesia.

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    Anaesthetic 'can triple the risk of dementia'

    HAVING a general anaesthetic may triple the risk of dementia in elderly patients, a study suggests.
    French researchers selected 9000 people over 65 and found that within a decade 632 developed dementia. They found that general anaesthetics had been given to 22.3 per cent of those with dementia but 18.7 per cent of those without.
    The team said at the weekend that, after adjusting for other factors, it was found that the older people who had been given at least one general anaesthetic were 35 per cent more likely to develop dementia.
    Studies in mice have found that anaesthetics cause changes in key proteins known to be involved in the development of Alzheimer's disease.
    Francois Sztark of the University of Bordeaux, who led the study, said: "General anaesthesia often cannot be avoided regardless of patient age. However we need other studies to understand the mechanisms involved in anaesthesia-induced neurotoxicity, and to develop strategies for avoiding (it)." Peter Venn, of the Royal College of Anaesthetists, said the link was still "a little vague" but elderly patients should be aware of the risks.
    "People reach crisis point in life and often they are admitted to hospital. They've been living on a frailty knife edge, they fall and break their hip, that crisis point comes and things go downhill. General anaesthesia and surgery get caught up in that and it's quite difficult to unravel cast-iron causative factors."
    He said patients should be assessed before operations and receive better aftercare.
    "(Patients) need careful post-operative monitoring; putting them in a side room of a ward with someone looking in every couple of hours is not as good as putting them in a high-dependency ward," he said.
    The Alzheimer's Society, a British charity funding research into the links between surgery and dementia, agreed it was important for elderly patients to be watched carefully after an anaesthetic.

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    Dementia risk may be higher for older people who have general anaesthetics

    Study of 9,000 patients suggests general anaesthetics may affect brains as a result of postoperative cognitive dysfunction
    Surgeons looking down on patient
    The researchers, led by Dr François Sztark of the University of Bordeaux, say it is still uncertain whether POCD can be a precursor to dementia. Photograph: Richard G/Stock Image
    Older people who have a general anaesthetic while undergoing surgery are 35% more likely to develop dementia years afterwards as a result, according to new research.
    The study has reopened the question of whether anaesthetic agents may potentially affect the brains of children or elderly patients, as some evidence suggests.
    Research from France being presented on Sunday at a conference of anaesthetists identifies postoperative cognitive dysfunction (POCD), a common delirium-like complication of major surgery in older people, as a likely cause of dementia that develops some years later. Some scientists believe POCD may be associated with dementia because of a common pathological mechanism involving the amyloid beta peptide.
    Amyloid plaques are found in the brains of those suffering from Alzheimer's, by far the most common form of dementia, as well as dementia with Lewy bodies and Parkinson's disease dementia. Previous studies have suggested that certain anaesthetics may promote the inflammation of neural tissues and so lead to either POCD or Alzheimer's disease precursors, including amyloid plaques and neurofibriliary tangles. But the authors, led by Dr François Sztark of the University of Bordeaux, say it is still uncertain whether POCD can be a precursor to dementia.
    Their research used data from the 3C study, which began examining the health of 9,294 people aged 65 or over in the French cities of Bordeaux, Dijon and Montpellier from 1999 in order to assess the risk of dementia and decline in cognitive function linked to vascular risk factors. Participants were checked two, four, seven and 10 years later. Each time the 7,008 patients without dementia were asked if they had had either a general or local anaesthetic since the last check-up. After two years, 2,309 (33%) had undergone one in that time, of which 1,333 (19%) were general and 948 (14%) local. In total 632 participants developed dementia over eight years.
    Sztark's team found that, at the two-year follow-up, 37% of those with dementia had been exposed to anaesthesia, compared with 32% of those who had not experienced neurodegeneration. While 22% of the patients with dementia had had a general anaesthetic, 19% of those free of dementia had done so.
    A summary of their findings, which are being unveiled at the annual meeting of the European Society of Anaesthesiology, states: "After adjustment, participants with at least one general anaesthesia over the follow-up had a 35% increased risk of developing a dementia compared with participants without anaesthesia." That risk is for general anaesthesia, not all anaesthesia, they stressed.
    Sztark said the authors had a "95% confidence interval" in that level of heightened risk of a condition which 800,000 Britons already have, a number which is expected to rise to over one million by 2021 due to the ageing population. The true risk is between 11% and 63%, he added.
    "These results are in favour of an increased risk for dementia several years after general anaesthesia." Health professionals should, he said, be aware of the possibility of POCD when deciding how to manage elderly patients who are being fully anaesthetised.
    Dementia organisations responded cautiously. Dr Eric Karran, director of research at Alzheimer's Research UK, said: "This is early data and given the complexity of the findings we need to await the full peer-reviewed publication before fully interpreting the results. Research into the impact of anaesthetics on dementia is challenging because it can be very difficult to tease out cause and effect. Dementia is caused by several brain diseases, many of which arise from a complex mix of genetic and environmental factors."
    Dr Doug Brown, director of research at the Alzheimer's Society, said: "The early results from this study support the view that anaesthesia may increase risk of developing dementia but questions still remain about why this is the case and whether other factors could also have a role to play."

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    Anaesthesia increases the risk of dementia, says study

    Published 31 May 2013
    Exposure to general anaesthesia increases the risk of dementia in the elderly by 35 per cent, according to new research.
    It is being presented at Euroanaesthesia, the annual congress of the European Society of Anaesthesiology (ESA), in Barcelona.
    Dr Doug Brown, Director of Research at Alzheimer's Society, said:
    'The early results from this study support the view that anaesthesia may increaserisk of developing dementia but questions still remain about why this is the case and whether other factors could also have a role to play.
    'As there is rarely an alternative to the use of anaesthetics in people who need them, we need more research to understand why this happens and how we can combat it. One in three people over the age of 65 will develop dementia. It is vital we continue funding research to find ways of reducing the risk and ultimately prevent the condition from developing.'

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    The last two stanzas from The Smuggler's Song by Rudyard  Kipling


    'If You do as you've been told, 'likely there's a chance,
    You'll be give a dainty doll, all the way from France,
    With a cap of Valenciennes, and a velvet hood -
    A present from the Gentlemen, along 'o being good !

    Five and twenty ponies,
    Trotting through the dark -
    Brandy for the Parson, 'Baccy for the Clerk.
    Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie -
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by ! 

    The story ,,,''Hal o' the Draft''... below


    Dan and Una meet Sir Harry Dawe, one of the great architects and craftsmen of the early 16th century, who had been born and brought up in their valley. He tells the story of how he was given the job of restoring their local village church, St Barnabas'. He found the Sussex villagers strangely unhelpful. His friend Sebastian Cabot, was planning a voyage across the Atlantic; he had ordered guns for his ship from a local forge, and he too was finding it a frustrating experience, since there were constant delays, and implausible excuses for broken promises.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LtOIN1G4I

    Peter Dawson:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZmO3oRsSoU



    A Smuggler's Song



    IF you wake at midnight, and hear a horse's feet,
    Don't go drawing back the blind, or looking in the street,
    Them that ask no questions isn't told a lie.
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by.

    Five and twenty ponies,
    Trotting through the dark -
    Brandy for the Parson, 'Baccy for the Clerk.
    Laces for a lady; letters for a spy,
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by!

    Running round the woodlump if you chance to find
    Little barrels, roped and tarred, all full of brandy-wine,
    Don't you shout to come and look, nor use 'em for your play.
    Put the brishwood back again - and they'll be gone next day !

    If you see the stable-door setting open wide;
    If you see a tired horse lying down inside;
    If your mother mends a coat cut about and tore;
    If the lining's wet and warm - don't you ask no more !

    If you meet King George's men, dressed in blue and red,
    You be careful what you say, and mindful what is said.
    If they call you " pretty maid," and chuck you 'neath the chin,
    Don't you tell where no one is, nor yet where no one's been !

    Knocks and footsteps round the house - whistles after dark -
    You've no call for running out till the house-dogs bark.
    Trusty's here, and Pincher's here, and see how dumb they lie
    They don't fret to follow when the Gentlemen go by !

    'If You do as you've been told, 'likely there's a chance,
    You'll be give a dainty doll, all the way from France,
    With a cap of Valenciennes, and a velvet hood -
    A present from the Gentlemen, along 'o being good !

    Five and twenty ponies,
    Trotting through the dark -
    Brandy for the Parson, 'Baccy for the Clerk.
    Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie -
    Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by ! 

    "Hal o' the Draft"

    These notes are based on those written by Donald Mackenzie for the OXFORD WORLD'S CLASSICS edition of Puck of Pook's Hill and Rewards and Fairies (1995) with the kind permission of Oxford University Press. Except where stated otherwise, the page numbers below refer to the Macmillan Uniform Edition of Puck of Pook's Hill (1906, and frequently reprinted since).



    [October 7th 2011]

    Publication

    This story was first published in the Strand Magazine of August 1906, and McClure's Magazine for the same month. It was collected in Puck of Pook's Hill in 1906 and in numerous subsequent editions of that collection. It was accompanied by the poems "Prophets at Home" and "Smugglers' Song" .

    The story

    Dan and Una meet Sir Harry Dawe, one of the great architects and craftsmen of the early 16th century, who had been born and brought up in their valley. He tells the story of how he was given the job of restoring their local village church, St Barnabas'. He found the Sussex villagers strangely unhelpful. His friend Sebastian Cabot, was planning a voyage across the Atlantic; he had ordered guns for his ship from a local forge, and he too was finding it a frustrating experience, since there were constant delays, and implausible excuses for broken promises. 

    Then they find that the local ironmasters are making guns secretly for Sir Andrew Barton, a pirate who sailed off the Sussex coast, and hiding them in the church before delivery. On the advice of a wise old local magistrate, Hal and Sebastian come down with soldiers and take the guns on the bland assumption that they are destined for Sebastian's ship. They take no legal action, which saves the necks of the conspirators, and Hal gets every help from the villagers thereafter.

    Critical comments

    C. W. Scott-Giles, in the article cited in the headnote to "Young Men at the Manor", remarks on the jumbling of dates in this story and its sequel, "The Wrong Thing" in Rewards and Fairies.


    Notes on the text


    [Page 231, line 8] Jack Cade leader of a major rebellion in 1450 against the government of Henry VI. He entered London in July but was quickly driven out. Wounded and captured at Lewes, Sussex, he died at Heathfield while being transported to London.

    [Page 231, line 11] ballad of Sir Andrew Barton in Percy's Reliques (2nd series, Bk. 2).

    [Page 231, line 12] swarved climbed.

    [Page 232, line 16] Low Country cross-bow steel The best steel for making cross-bows came from what is now Belgium.

    [Page 232, line 19] Gaffer Jonah Jonah, who - according to the Book of Jonah in the Old Testament - was swallowed by a whale, but managed to escape through divine providence.

    [Page 232, line 22] Barnabas's Barnabas was the companion of St Paul on his first missionary journey (Acts 13-14).

    [Page 232, line 32] Little Lindens Rye Green Farm on the Bateman's estate.

    [Page 233, line 18] Bramante Italian architect (1444-1514).

    [Page 234, line 29] Galilee porch the large cruciform porch of this name was added on the west side of the south transept of Lincoln Cathedral (right) in the mid-thirteenth century, during the episcopacy of Bishop Grosseteste. 


    [Page 234, line 30] Torrigiano's Florentine sculptor (1472-1528); worked on the tombs of Henry VII (right) and Henry's wife and mother in Westminster Chapel.

    [Page 235, line 19] came into England all in one year Hops were first introduced into England in 1520 by brewers from the Low Countries, who used them to flavour beer. The first record of a roast turkey at a banquet is from 1570, though turkeys may have been bred much earlier. 'Heresy' probably refers to the spread of reformist ideas from Germany or Geneva, and this could have referred to the 1520s, the decade before England's breach with Rome.

    [Page 236, line 6] the Pomps of the Flesh cf. the answer to the third question in the Anglican Catechism, `I should renounce ... the pomps and vanity of this wicked world, and all the sinful lusts of the flesh'.

    [Page 237, line 20] shaw a small wood.

    [Page 237, line 24] Serpentines a kind of cannon; in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries used largely as a ship's gun.

    [Page 237, line 31] Sebastianus Sebastian Cabot (c. 1476-1557); explorer and cartographer. He may have accompanied his father John on the voyage of exploration to North America (in 1497) which discovered Newfoundland.

    [Page 238, line 16] murrain pestilence.

    [Page 238, line 18] Black Death plague that ravaged Europe between 1347 and 1351, with later recurrences.

    [Page 238, line 28] iron cramps a small bar with the ends bent, used for holding together two pieces of masonry, timber, etc.

    [Page 238, line 29] spaulty dry and brittle (Oxford English Dictionary).

    [Page 239, line 2] ary one anyone.

    [Page 239, line 15] hoy Oxford English Dictionary (quoting from Smyth, Sailor's Word-book) gives: A small vessel, usually rigged as a sloop, and employed in carrying passengers and goods particularly in short distances, on the sea-coast. 

    [Page 240, line 5] pure pute clean, mere.

    [Page 240, line 30] willow-tot clump of willow.

    [Page 241, line 7] lither wicked (in this sense normally applied to persons, not objects).

    [Page 241, line 10] demi-cannon a large gun of about 6 1/2 " (16 cm.) bore.

    [Page 241, line 27] howlet owl.

    [Page 242, line 26] carrack a large cargo ship, also fitted for war.

    [Page 2342, line 31] mell with interfere with.

    [Page 243, line 27] dozened stupefied or dazed.

    [Page 242, line 23] coil fuss.

    [Page 245, line 24] old tod a crafty, fox-like person.

    [Page 246, line 9] Our King went forth to Normandie opening line of the Victory at Agincourt (Percy's Reliques, 2nd ser., Bk. x); also the tune to which it is sung.

    [Page 250, line 13] vivers Rootlets

    [Page 250, line 30] Silly Sussex 'silly' is used here in its archaic sense of `simple, innocent, homely'.





    "Prophets at Home"



    In Songs from Books" and DV entitled "Prophets at Home".

    [line 1] Prophets have honour cf. Mark 6: 1-6 and Luke 4: 16-24

    [line 5] naughty wayward, disobedient.

    [line 9] Nineveh Town see Jonah 1-4 and especially 1, 17-2, 10.






    "A Smuggler's Song" 

    (notes by Philip Holberton and Donald Mackenzie)


    [Verse 1 Line 3] Them that asks no questions isn’t told a lie Oliver Goldsmith: "She Stoops to Conquer" (1773): 'Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no fibs.'

    [Verse 2 Line 4] brishwood Sussex dialect for brushwood

    [Verse Line 1] King George’s men Soldiers hunting the smugglers

    [Verse 7 Line 3] Valenciennes lace, originally produced (c. 1705-80) in the town of that name in Northern France.


    [D. M./P.H.]

    ©Donald Mackenzie and Philip Holberton 2005 All rights reserved 


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    The Charge Of The Light Brigade


    by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
    1809-1892




     
    Alfred, Lord Tennyson
    1809-1892
    This poem was written to memorialize a suicidal charge by light cavalry over open terrain by British forces in the Battle of Balaclava (Ukraine) in the Crimean War (1854-56). 247 men of the 637 in the charge were killed or wounded. Britain entered the war, which was fought by Russia against Turkey, Britain and France, because Russia sought to control the Dardanelles. Russian control of the Dardanelles threatened British sea routes.
    Many in the west best know of this war today because of Florence Nightingale, who trained and led nurses aiding the wounded during the war in a manner innovative for those times. The War was also noteworthy as an early example of the work of modern war correspondents.







    The Charge Of The Light Brigade


    by Alfred, Lord Tennyson


    Memorializing Events in the Battle of Balaclava, October 25, 1854
    Written 1854




    Half a league half a league,
    Half a league onward,
    All in the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred:
    'Forward, the Light Brigade!
    Charge for the guns' he said:
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

    'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
    Was there a man dismay'd ?
    Not tho' the soldier knew
    Some one had blunder'd:
    Theirs not to make reply,
    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do & die,
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

    Cannon to right of them,
    Cannon to left of them,
    Cannon in front of them
    Volley'd & thunder'd;
    Storm'd at with shot and shell,
    Boldly they rode and well,
    Into the jaws of Death,
    Into the mouth of Hell
    Rode the six hundred.

    Flash'd all their sabres bare,
    Flash'd as they turn'd in air
    Sabring the gunners there,
    Charging an army while
    All the world wonder'd:
    Plunged in the battery-smoke
    Right thro' the line they broke;
    Cossack & Russian
    Reel'd from the sabre-stroke,
    Shatter'd & sunder'd.
    Then they rode back, but not
    Not the six hundred.

    Cannon to right of them,
    Cannon to left of them,
    Cannon behind them
    Volley'd and thunder'd;
    Storm'd at with shot and shell,
    While horse & hero fell,
    They that had fought so well
    Came thro' the jaws of Death,
    Back from the mouth of Hell,
    All that was left of them,
    Left of six hundred.

    When can their glory fade?
    O the wild charge they made!
    All the world wonder'd.
    Honour the charge they made!
    Honour the Light Brigade,
    Noble six hundred!


     




    Note: This poem, including punctuation, is reproduced from a scan of the poem written out by Tennyson in his own hand in 1864. The scan was made available online by the University of Virginia.

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    http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/the-vatican-rag-genuflect-genuflect-genuflect/

    The Vatican Rag: genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

    September 12, 2010 at 4:56 pm (CatholicismcomedyJim Dmusicreligion)
    The great Tom Lehrer:
    The thoughtful (Catholic) David Lodge:
    “Thus it came about that the first important test of the unity of the Catholic Church afterVatican II, of the relative power and influence of conservatives and progressives, laity and clergy, priests and bishops, national Churches and the Holy See, was a great debate about – not, say, the nature of Christ and the meaning of his teaching in the light of modern knowledge – but about the precise conditions under which a man was permitted to introduce his penis and ejaculate his semen into the vagina of his lawfully wedded wife, a question on which Jesus Christ himself had left no recorded opinion.
    “This was not, however, quite such a daft development as it seems on first consideration, for the issue of contraception was in fact one which drew in its train a host of more profound questions and implications, especially about the pleasure principle and its place in the Christian scheme of salvation. It may seem bizarre that Catholics should have been solemnly debating whether it was right for married couplesw to use relaiable methods of contraception at a time when society at large was calling into question the value of monogamy itself – when schoolgirls still in gym-slips were being put on the Pill by their mothers, when young couples were living together in what used to be called sin as a matter of course, adultery was being institutionalised as a part game, and the arts and mass media were abandoning all restraints in the depiction and celebration of sexuality. But in fact there was a more than merely ironic connection between these developments inside and outside the Church. The availability of effective contaception was the thin edge of the wedge of modern hedonism that had already turned Protestantism into a parody of itself and was now challenging the Roman Catholic ethos. Conservatives in the Church who predicted that approval of contraception for married couples would inevitably lead sooner or later to a general relaxation of traditional moral standards and indirectly encourage promiscuity, marital infidelity, sexual experimentation and deviation of every kind, were essentially correct, and it was disingenuous of liberal Catholics to deny it. On the other hand, the conservatives had unknowingly conceded defeat long before by approving, however grudgingly, the use of the Rhythm or Safe Method” ( from ’How Far Can You Go?‘, pub: 1981)
    And, finally (for now) the forensic Geoffrey Robertson  QC:
    “It is now clear that tens of thousands – perhaps even approaching 100,000 – children, mainly boys, were sexually molested by priests over a period (1981-2005) coinciding with Cardinal Ratzinger’s responsibility as head “prefect” of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the CDF, the Vatican body that oversees canon law proceedings against them). Judicial inquiries have described sexual abuse as “endemic” in Catholic boys’ homes in Ireland. The report of the understated John Jay College inquiry, published in 2004, found 10,667 victims in the US, where over $1.6bn is believed to have been paid in damages so far. A truth commission in Canada is uncovering huge abuse in Catholic-run residential homes. In Melbourne, Australia, the Church has had to compensate 300 victims of 60 molesting priests, only one of whom it has defrocked. Forty-five of Malta’s 850 priests are suspected paedophiles, with multiple victims. Similar incidents are emerging from the priesthood in Austria, Belgium and Germany. It is said that the scale of sex abuse in Latin America and Africa, to which many paedophile priests from America and Europe have been trafficked, will be even worse.
    “Abuse happened on this scale – and was allowed to happen – in part because Joseph Ratzinger, both as head of the CDF and as Pope, has insisted for the past 30 years that all such cases be dealt with in secrecy under canon law. As late as July this year, when he promulgated new canon laws about sex abuse (finally making it as serious an offence as ordaining a woman), he deliberately and adamantly refused to direct his bishops to report confirmed or reasonably suspected cases of child rape to the police.
    “How on earth do these statehood privileges, extending even to the power to use its own law to the exclusion of local criminal law, come to be vouchsafed to just one out of many religions and NGOs? To qualify as a state in international law, an entity must have territory and must have people – a permanent population.
    “As any tourist in St Peter’s Square will recognise, Vatican City has neither. It is simply a palace with a large basilica and ample gardens, less than a quarter of a square mile in size, like so many golf courses. It has no “Vaticanians”, just a few hundred celibate Catholic bureaucrats and some daily workers who come over the road from Italy. It is a palace with museums but no nationals; all its basic services are provided from Italy.
    “The Holy See lacks any stable human society. Its only “permanent” member is the pontiff, who prefers on many evenings to pope-copter off to his residence in Italy, Castel Gandolfo. He has no “people” to enter in the Olympics or to play in the World Cup or to serve on any international peacekeeping mission: even the papal guards are Swiss. In reality, Vaticanland is no more a state than Bophuthatswana, or indeed Disneyland – which is larger than the Vatican and has more denizens, dressed in even more colourful costumes.
    “So, why does Britain recognise the Vatican as a state when it so obviously is not? I have recently asked this question through Freedom of Information requests, and have been told by the Foreign Office that it does so in reliance on the Lateran Treaty of 1929. The Holy See itself bases its claim to statehood squarely on this document. But the Lateran Treaty was a squalid deal to secure fascism in Italy, negotiated between Benito Mussolini and Pope Pius XI, who hailed the demagogue as “the man sent by providence” to put an end to liberal democracy. In truth, it was not a “treaty” – a written agreement between states – at all, but a deal between one state and its Church, as the Holy See had lost any claim to statehood after its territory (the papal states) was conquered by the army of the Risorgimento in 1870(from the New Statesman, 6 Sept 2010).
    H/t: Jeff Barnhart,  for reminding me about the Tom Lehrer song

    15 Comments

    1. Invictus_88 said,

      In point of fact, Vatican City does have residents and does accord to them internationally recognised citizenship.
    2. martin ohr said,

      Predictably those so-called socialists who-ve addled their brains by trying to pretend that organised religion is progressive in order to suck up to Islamic leaders, manage to get their reponses to the Pope and the catholic church completely wrong:http://liammacuaid.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/foreign-dirty-poor-and-ignorant/
      socialist unity repeats the same bollocks too
    3. martin ohr said,

      …looking forward to Socialist Worker leading with the headline ‘Defend the Pope’ for consistency purposes.
    4. martin ohr said,

      The idiot lapsed marxist Macuaid also has this gem on his website:
    5. resistor said,

      Robertson was forced to resign as a judge at the UN Special Court for Sierra Leone because he publicly declared the guilt of the defendants before they had been given a trial.
      Secondly he is married to the gruesome Kathy Lette
      ‘Lette’s brave new world of gender equality is women cracking gags about the laxness of their pelvic floor. You know, if Lette really wanted to speak up for witty ladies, she could stop pulling her idea of funny out of her vagina.’
    6. berenike said,

      God bless the Pope!
      :)
    7. entdinglichung said,

      there is at least a proper trade union working in the Vatican:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Vatican_Lay_Workers … which even staged in “catholophobic” actions like strikes ;-)
    8. skidmarx said,

      Presenting criticism of an institution as criticism of a group in general.
      Implying ongoing oppression but failing to provide evidence of same.
      Presenting historical oppression as if it proved the existence of an ongoing phenomenon.
      Pointing to reactionary examples of those who would also criticise the institution concerned to try and discredit all opposition.
      Failing to address the particular criticisms made.
      There seems to be a reasonable parallel to be drawn between the Curia elision over at liammacuaid.wordpress.com and the Netanyahoos here who claim that criticism directed at the nature of the Israeli state is “political anti-semitism”.
    9. martin ohr said,

      #8. skidmarx: “what about israel” yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn.
      problem is skidders that you just add weight to the argument that sections of the left are simply obsessed with Israel for reasons completely unrelated to solidarity with Palestinians. The attempts by you and others to shoehorn in a reference to Israel on any subject is pathetic at best.
      Come back when we’re discussing Israel/Palestine and try the same line. If you think that there is any analogy to be had between the Pope and the state of Israel then you are a bigger arsehole than even your reputation suggests.
    10. skidmarx said,

      Resistor – I don’t think it’s fair to blame Robertson for who he’s married to. His attempt to open a new front against the Iranians under the guise of righting historic wrongs is more questionable.
      martin ohr – I was going to say that I just don’t where to start and leave it at that. Perhaps I’ll just comment that when you say that “sections of the left are simply obsessed with Israel for reasons completely unrelated to solidarity with Palestinians”, that is the sort of argument unsupported by evidence that Liam was making about the Pope and the supposed Catholophobia of those who attack him.
    11. jim denham said,

      Martin can speak for himself (and may not agree with me), but it has become increasingly apparent to me over the years the “left” (including the “far left”) has had, since about 1947 or ’48, a serious problem with Jews and with Israel. Let me elucidate:
      1/ Judgements are made, and demands placed upon Israel, that are not done to other nations -even vile, fascistic ones like Iran and China;
      2/ Lenin’s teachings on nationalism (still formally adhered to by the “far-left”) are suspended when it comes to Israel, and Lenin’s opponent in that particular debate, Rosa Luxemburg, suddenly comes into view when the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish nation, comes under discussion. Luxemburg’s position on nationalism is perfectly respectable, btw, but I *do* object when “Leninists” revert to it solely in the case of Israel;
      3/ Public school, upper-class anti-semitism clearly became unacceptable in polite society after about 1945, but after 1948, posh gits who hated Jews, could call themelves “anti-Zionists” with (if required, as it might be in libera/lefty company) the backing of the Comintern; Paul Foot, Tam Dalyell and Richard Ingrams are prime examples of this;
      4/ Anti-Jewish racism is still semi-acceptable (in a way that no other form of racism would be) within the “left” and trade union movement: I can cite chapter and verse on this (and do so below).
      5/ The Stalinist history of “left” anti-semitism has been well-documented by Stan Crooke (http://www.engageonline.org.uk/journal/index.php?journal_id=14&article_id=58), amongst others.
      In conclusion: the movement in solidarity with the Palestinians and their absolutely legitimate demand for nationhood, must of course criticise Israel: but we must *never* sign up with the likes of Hams and those within the Bitish labour movement who would simply deny the rights of Jews to self-determination, and (some of whom) think it’s also OK to racially abuse Jews within trade union meetings: Stuart Richardson and Godfrey Webster of the ISG Both of whom I encountered at Birmingham Trades Council and have no hesitation in denouncing as politically anti-semites, with Richardson verging over to personal anti-Jewish racism) and Bill Goulding of the CP (a vile anti-semite, whose personal anti-Jewish racism it transpires, has been well-known in CP and trade union bureaucratic circles for many years), for instance.
    12. skidmarx said,

      the “left” (including the “far left”) has had, since about 1947 or ’48, a serious problem with Jews and with Israel
      Be a bit clairvoyant if they had a problem with Israel before that. And again the elision from Israel to the Jews begins.
      1/ No evidence for assertion provided.
      2/ No evidence for assertion provided.
      3/ No evidence for assertion provided.
      4/ Buffering…
      5/ You link to Michael Ezra (hedge fund manager and extreme anti-communist) rather than Stan Crooke. And on the SWP he gets as far as suggesting, without evidence that they based a pamphlet on Israel on the work of someone who claimed that Zionist leaders collaborated with the Nazis, not that he denied the Holocaust. Not very impressive.
      Again when you say that someone thinks “it’s also OK to racially abuse Jews within trade union meeting:” and then say that one was “verging over to personal anti-Jewish racism” it seems the latter claim suggests that whatever is meant by the former was not racism, but disagreement with your pro-Israeli views. And “verging” suggests that it wasn’t actually racism but you are trying to imply that he was getting on to it, and presumably your interpretation is fiercely disputed. No quotes on any of this.
    13. jim denham said,

      Skidders: you’re very slow on the uptake, but here goes:
      On #2: just read the stuff by Lenin: it’s easily available (for instance, here:http://www.marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1935/luxemburg-lenin.htm ;
      On “left anti-semitism within the unions today:
      Bill Goulding, a long-standing Stalinist (ie: CP member; now retired) of Birmingham Trades Union Council, regularly denounces “Zionism” at meetings.
      At a social event a few years ago, he shouted “Don’t be a Jew!” at someone at the bar who wasn’t buying sufficient drinks, and was taken up by some of those present. He reacted by ranting about “Jews” and “Israel”, claiming that his use of the term “Jew” was justified by the Iraq war, the existance of Israel, and the Afghanistan war – all caused by Jews. When some comrades tried to reason with him, Goulding ranted that Jews are “to blame” for all wars in the present period. The comrades were shocked, but decided to keep quiet about it. Recently, one of those present confirmed to me what had happened and expressed her personal regret that those present had nor taken the matter up more strongly with Goulding.
      Stuart Richardson and Godfrey Webster of ‘Socialist Resistance’ regularly support and asssociate with Goulding, especially when he denounces “Zionism” and “Israel”: Richardson and Webster are fully aware of Goulding’s anti-semitism, and happy to join in with it. And other comrades have, it seems, been covering up for this guy…and still voted with him on Middle East matters at the Trades Council without (it seems) wondering about their anti-Israel stances…
    14. skidmarx said,

      Your characterisation of the politics of those that fight imperialism as more important than that they do fight seems contrary to Lenin’s comment, contra Radek on the Easter Rising:
      To imagine that social revolution is conceivable without revolts by small nations in the colonies and in Europe, without revolutionary outbursts by a section of the petty bourgeoisie WITHOUT ALL ITS PREJUDICES, without a movement of the politically non-conscious proletarian and semi-proletarian masses against oppression by the landowners, the church, and the monarchy, against national oppression, etc.–to imagine all this is to REPUDIATE SOCIAL REVOLUTION. So one army lines up in one place and says, “We are for socialism”, and another, somewhere else and says, “We are for imperialism”, and that will be a social revolution! Only those who hold such a ridiculously pedantic view would vilify the Irish rebellion by calling it a “putsch”. 
      You seem happy to say “We are for imperialism”.
      What you say about Goulding does seem quite objectionable, though I bear in mind that many of your assessments of others seem to be lacking in foundation and veracity. Your main objection to the SR members, that they don’t change their political positions for fear of being associated with him assumes that such a change is the only reasonable course of action.
      One swallow doesn’t make a summer. One case of anti-semitism on the Left, reliant on the testimony of an obvious partisan like yourself, is light-years away from demonstrating that “political anti-semitism” is the guiding principle behind anti-Israeli views.
    15. jim denham said,

      Skidiot: nothing’s going to convince you, is it? Even when I provide a specific case in point from direct first-hand experience, you say “one swallow doesn’t make a summer.”
      Lenin’s comments about “revolutionary outbursts by a section of the petty bourgeoisi WITHOUT ALL ITS PREJUDICES”, is sort-of true as far as it goes. I think it was intended against elements witin the Bolshevics who expected a chemically-pure “proletarian” revolution. But for too long, this off-hand comment by Lenin has been used to excuse communists going along with all sorts of backwardness on social, cultural and religious matters.
      Anyway: I give up. Live in denial, “comrade.”

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    From:g87
    Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:08 PM
    Subject: I write again... RE OUR CONV.....Rabbi Freilich

    Dear Rabbi Freilich
    I humbly beseech you to respond to my email.
    1. It is understood that your involvement was used by the writer Kate Legge – whose husband is Geoffrey Robertson – to add gravitas to her bizzare article making the Nazi corollary in her attack on Yeshivah people.
    2. When you remonstrated against being quoted by Legge – you sought to impeach her version.
    3. Reading what was published in The Shunned and what you plainly wrote in your letter to editor of the magazine 2 weeks later claiming to have been misquoted – yet claiming the reason was your being ‘’emotional’’ – was strange in that it does not read well.
    4. Indeed you plainly missed my humour at your expense in using the classical phrase ‘'tired and emotional’’ – in that you sought to tell me in our conversation that you were not ‘’tired’’.
    5. I guess your hapless language was irresistable for me......
    6. I NOW CAPITALIZE THIS: WACHS WAS CLEARLY COMPLICIT IN THE NAZI COROLLARY!!! UNDERSTATEMENT!!
    7. Both Lette and Wachs are guilty of being sickening.
    8. Furthermore, at no stage has Wachs apologized in public for his violent attack on Rabbi Telsner on Shavuot [Jewish Holyday a few short weeks ago in Yeshivah Synagogue in public on a MAJOR HOLYDAY.
    9. This attack was ‘provoked’ by Rabbi Telsner merely wishing him ‘GUT YOM TOM’ [Jewish greeting]
    10. I now I ask you again: if you think you have a version of events that can shed light on these pathetic matters – send it to me. I have a yearning to set the record straight. If I need to add something official from you that corrects matters germane to this saga – set the record straight now.
    11. It is not good enough for you to allude to conversations with various people who ‘’know’’ – you need to appreciate that this will be your opportunity to explain what appears inexplicable to me: THAT IS YOU WERE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR MINOR INVOLVEMENT AND DEPICTING IT IN A WAY THAT ATTEMPTS [TO MY PERSON] TO RECONFIGURE EVBENTS!
    12. YOU EVEN CONGRATULATED THE WRITER FOR HER ARTICLE!! WHY, RABBI DID YOU NOT READ IT TO THE END? DID YOU NOT SEE THE OBSCENITY THERE?
    13. Your comment that everyone is attacking Wachs is disingenuous – as is Wachs’ claim in his article that ‘’He's threatened defamation action against two bloggers stirring up hatred...’’
    14. Note ye all: I invite Mr Wachs to sue me if he thinks I have in any way written or said something that warrants serving me with a suit for defamation!
    15. I further advise that no attempt has been made by me to debunk anything else in the Shunned article. If Wachs is serious in taking legal action against me – then he should invite me to put my humble mind to work, He may have more information to go to ‘war’ with.
    16. In the interim I want it known that he plainly suffered and whatever his level of suffering it is not my intention to detail what a certain couple suffered over the years; no quid pro quo / sine quanon– or any oblique comparison is implied.
    17. I mention this because Wachs modus vivendi is such that he will inevitably suggest some irrelevant comparison...... Do not go there Manny Wachs – not a good look ....
    My dear Rabbi – please pass this on to Wachs – I know not his email address.
    He can reply on my blog – or direct to me at g87@optusnet.com.au
    Indeed our correspondences will be on our blog soon: you mobile ph no will be removed.
    Regards
    Geoff Seidner
    13 Alston Gr East St Kilda 3183


    ''Manny hasn't felt the cold shoulders directed at his father. He's threatened defamation action against two bloggers stirring up hatred. "I get either dirty looks or thanks for what I've done. It has had a significant impact on my family but I have got no regrets. It is something I had to do." As for critics who say he's done it for the money and the publicity, perhaps they should visit his office and take tea with his father. Zephaniah's burden is the one that weighs heaviest. "It has harmed my father's health, causing him sleepless nights and the loss of decades-old friendships as people go around the community saying, 'Don't have anything to do with him'," Manny says. "A lot of people say, 'Why doesn't 
    heleave?'"
    Geoffrey Robertson
    Lawyer
    Geoffrey Ronald Robertson QC is a human rights lawyer, academic, author and broadcaster. He holds dual Australian and British citizenship. Robertson is the founder and head of Doughty Street Chambers. Wikipedia
    BornSeptember 30, 1946 (age 66), Sydney
    NominationsBritish Academy Television Award for Best Single Drama

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    From:g87
    Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 2:46 PM
    Subject: RE OUR CONV.....Rabbi Freilich
    Dear Rabbi Freilich
    I am pleased to have spoken with you around midday today; I am recovering rapidly from my second cataract operation.
    You told me you were misquoted – and an apology from The Australian exists somewhere.
    I told you about the shameful Nazi corollary – which I put to you should have been noticed by you. The words are reproduced below for your convenience.
    IT IS SHAMEFUL.
    I also told you other things of various import. I disagreed with your assertion that ‘’no one is on Wach’s side.
    Au contraire – Wachs the perpetual media performer should behave himself with professional deference .. as entries in my blog.
    It bemuses me that you have not informed or seen my blog.
    That scenario is also not to your advantage, methinks.
    You should ask them – the writer, the editor? for an apology for this – and from Wachs – they – THE WRITER et al .... are a disgrace.
    Again I suggest you inform yourself of what is out there -  it is not a good idea to not know things.
    I confirm my request for documents so I can set the record straight. It is also in your interest to do so; I have no material....
    All the best
    Geoff Seidner

    ‘’On the wall of the Waks' living room hangs a photo of Zephaniah's father Leo, a dashing character in a fedora, without any of the sartorial garb favoured by contemporary orthodox men. "That guy there," he says of his father, "was an engineering student in Berlin when Hitler came to power. His degree has a swastika on it. He knew what was going on but he refused to buckle as he watched the salute rising higher and higher, and a little of his determination sits inside me. I'm not moving out of here until I want to move.
    The pressure mounts. "It's very unpleasant. You can't believe this is 2013 in Australia. You can't believe it," he says. I ask, what has hurt him most? Not the sudden withdrawal of the old friend he once accompanied to study sessions. "He's always been a weakling.I'm not surprised he buckled to pressure. The thing that bothers me most about this is seeing good people doing nothing." He nods at the portrait of his father and the consequences of allowing evil to thrive.
    When he walks me outside to my car, the Yeshivah Centre looms across the street and I almost expect security to arrest Zephaniah for refusing to shut up. But the shunning works in subtler ways. Despite the warmth of the sun, I feel a shiver up my spine.’’
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    From:Rabbi
    Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:19 PM
    Subject: Article
    Dear Mr Seidner

    Rabbi Freilich has asked that I write to you to let you know that if you wish to discuss the recent article in the Australian Magazine, he is very happy to talk to you about it.  He can be contacted on ......

    With best wishes

    Madeleine Ausbruch
    Rabbinic Office Administrator  
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    From:g87
    Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:43 PM
    Subject: Re: Article
    Dear Madelaine, Rabbi Freilich
    I am having cataract surgery tomorrow am.
    I will surely phone you on Thursday.
    Perhaps you should be aware of my position – since my letter to you I have made a new posting on my blog – and it is not friendly to you.
    I send you latest postings.
    Our incipient conversation should be with you having knowlege of my position: you made a real mess of things – and should rectify it.
    it is up to you to consider how you do this – if at all.
    Our conversation may help: I certainly am an easy – going arguably good – natured person.
    Regards
    Geoff seidner
    From:Rabbi
    Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:19 PM
    Subject: Article
    Dear Mr Seidner

    Rabbi Freilich has asked that I write to you to let you know that if you wish to discuss the recent article in the Australian Magazine, he is very happy to talk to you about it.  He can be contacted on .

    With best wishes

    Madeleine Ausbruch
    Rabbinic Office Administrator  

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    From:Rabbi
    Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:19 PM
    Subject: Article
    Dear Mr Seidner

    Rabbi Freilich has asked that I write to you to let you know that if you wish to discuss the recent article in the Australian Magazine, he is very happy to talk to you about it.  He can be contacted on ...........

    With best wishes

    Madeleine Ausbruch
    Rabbinic Office Administrator 




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    From:g87
    Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 4:45 PM
    Subject: RE Your letter, Rabbi Freilich

    Dear Rabbi Freilich
    I refer to your letter in The Australian Magazine published yesterday. And article in the AJN  7 days or so earlier. [enc below]
    Could you please elucidate as to how you were misquoted in view of your last sentence about being tired and emotional?
    Kol Tuv
    Geoff Seidner
    East St Kilda
    Firstly let me congratulate you on your article. However, I would like to clarify a statement attributed to me that is misleading. The article gives the impression I am of the view that 95 per cent of the rabbinate believe that child sexual abuse should be dealt with in-house. In fact I believe that the vast majority of rabbis in Australia firmly support the immediate reporting of child abuse to the police. This was always the official stance of the Organisation of Rabbis of Australia. This misinterpretation may have arisen because my abhorrence of child sexual abuse is such that when I am interviewed about it I become emotional, and as a result my expression may not be as clear and precise as it should be.
    David Freilich OAMChief Rabbi, Perth Hebrew Congregation


    ORIG ARTICLE RE YOURSELF:

    Perth rabbi Dovid Freilich estimates that 95 per cent of Australian rabbis believe these matters should be dealt with internally. He was president of the Organisation of Rabbis of Australasia at the time the Yeshivah scandal erupted and resigned after his call for full co-operation with police drew criticism from the membership. "I was castigated by other rabbis. They don't talk to me anymore. I regard it as a compliment... The law of the land is the law of the land," he says, dismissing the idea that victims should go to a priest or a rabbi rather than use the courts.

    Rabbi misquoted on abuse cover-up

    Rabbi Dovid Freilich
    THE Australian is expected to apologise this weekend after it claimed that former president of the Organisation of Rabbis of Australasia (ORA) Rabbi Dovid Freilich said that 95 per cent of Australian rabbis believe child sexual abuse charges should be dealt with internally.
    Rabbi Freilich praised the article, “The Shunned”, that appeared in Saturday’s edition of The Australian, because he said that whatever can be done to stamp out the scourge of sexual abuse of children in society is to be commended and encouraged, but said that being misquoted was disappointing.
    “I believe that the vast majority of rabbis in Australia firmly and categorically support the immediate reporting of child abuse to the police,” Rabbi Freilich said in a letter toThe AJN and The Australian this week.
    “This was always the official stance of the ORA.”
    Senior writer at The Australian Kate Legge apologised to the rabbi when she was contacted by Rabbi Freilich this week.
    “We will clarify the comment on the letter page next week,” the journalist said to Rabbi Freilich.
    But in response to the article, which caused concern throughout the community because of the claim, the Rabbinical Council of Victoria (RCV) restated its policy on child sexual abuse to the community.
    “The RCV has stated on numerous occasions that all cases of child abuse must be reported immediately to the police. The council’s resolution to this effect was adopted by the rabbis of Victoria unanimously and bears the name of each rabbi,” the statement read.
    “The RCV’s widely publicised position that any and all cases of child abuse must be reported immediately to the police and relevant authorities has appeared numerous times in Jewish and wider Australian media,” RCV president Rabbi Meir Shlomo Kluwgant said.
    Rabbi Kluwgant said there is no basis to the claim that 95 per cent of Australian rabbis prefer child sexual abuse cases be dealt with internally, and he said he was expecting a full and swift retraction by those responsible.
    JOSHUA LEVI
    Rabbi Dovid Freilich.

    Rabbi Freilich - the denouement June 9

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    From:g87
    Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:47 AM

    No line like David’s for Rabbi and Priest 9 May 2012

    http://www.therecord.com.au/news/in-depth/no-line-like-davids-for-rabbi-and-priest/
    Subject: Rabbi Freilich - the denouement
     

    Dear Rabbi Freilich
     
    This will surely be the final email to you.
     
    In earlier emails I ‘’beseeched you’’ to understand what I had written to you and pasted on my blog.
    I wanted to ensure you finally understood that I was not sympathetic to what you had done. And failed to do. And by extension – continue to do!
    Finally methinks you understand: it is all extant on Socialist Dystopia – where this email will also be posted. It is implied that you finally understand what you had done et al – by the absence of any response from you.
     
    I expected that this would eventually happen.
     
    My reason for this denouement is to ensure that there is no chance that either you or Manny Wachs will even dream of contemplating that I somehow misled you. ANY reading of the above will confirm to the contrary.
     
    Here is the reason for this email: I want to ask you – if you deign to respond – what did you think you were doing when you gave an interview to a Christian Journal? See this link!

    No line like David’s for Rabbi and Priest 9 May 2012

    http://www.therecord.com.au/news/in-depth/no-line-like-davids-for-rabbi-and-priest/
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    Throughout the night, both Fr Deeter and Rabbi Freilich placed great emphasis on the common ground between Judaism and Catholicism, a passion shared and studied by both men.
    “Jesus was raised in a synagogue,” Rabbi Freilich said, referencing the Jewish heritage of Jesus, his family and disciples.
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    Many of Christ’s teachings are ones Jews shared, the Rabbi said; “love thy neighbour”, for example, can also be found in Leviticus in the Old Testament.
    The Star of David has no official religious significance to Judaism, despite the Menora synagogue’s entire ceiling being dominated by a giant Star of David representation.
    “The architect wasn’t Jewish,” beamed the Rabbi.
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    Rabbi Freilich responded that the realities of human life came before all else, noting that Jesus had said “Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” [Mark, 2: 27].
    He also noted that simply observing the rules of the Sabbath does not make one a good Jew. “If you’re not a good human, forget it!” he said.
    The Rabbi said synagogues were only secondarily places of prayer and that their primary role was as places of learning where Jews are taught culture and law so as to know how to behave outside Temple.
    “The main synagogue is the world,” Rabbi Freilich said. Synagogues are not quiet places, but instead are full of chatter and discussion like any classroom.
    It’s not uncommon for debates to become quite spirited. “I certainly wouldn’t say it’s tranquil,” he said.
    The Rabbi spoke openly about the role of some Jews in Jesus’ death, but emphasised that Christ had been killed by fanaticscorrupted by greed – who had turned the Holy Temple in Jerusalem into a market.
    Many Jews of Christ’s own time had supported Jesus. Fr Deeter concurred, noting that present day Jews could not possibly be blamed for something that happened so long ago.
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    Noting that Pope John Paul II had called Jews “our dearly beloved older brothers”, Rabbi Freilich expressed his great affinity with Christianity and Jesus’ teachings. “If I was alive back then, I’d be a
     
    Christian!” he said. “No,” replied Fr Deeter, “you’d be dead.”
     
     
    So I ask you Rabbi – what sort of humbug did you allow yourself to writ when speaking to a Christian audience?
     
    Are you not ashamed to have contemplated repeating this when you were head of the RRabbinic Council?
    On Shabbat in your own Shul in Perth?
     
    DID YOU THINK IT WOULD NOT CATCH UP WITH YOU?
     
    Shame on you Rabbi F.
    Geoff Seidner
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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