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December 30, 2017, 3:53 pm
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From: Geoff Seidner <myemail99@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:28 AM
Subject: dec 30... Hi Peter.... George Brandis has responded to you in today’s The Oz.
To: geoffseidner@gmail.com


 
 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 3:28 PM
To: g87
Subject: Re: Hi Peter.... George Brandis has responded to you in today’s The Oz.
 
Hi Geoff
Enjoy your fun, as I enjoy the many many benefits of what I do (and love to do). Currently relaxing on holidays.
All the best
Peter

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On 30/12/2013, at 3:24 PM, "g87"<g87@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Peter,
Please note that George Brandis has responded to you in today’s The Oz. It was inevitable. The A - G is of course very generous to you    in his carefully considered item.
I am of course not so encumbered with trying to optimise my electoral popularity VS the need to respond to your pretty outrageous efforts.
Fortunate perhaps is that most people are on hols.
 
You should contemplate my heroic incipient efforts. I have lots of interests – and have tried to invent a means of stopping time.
You will see my response reasonably soon.
 
Note also that Catalaxy has also taken the ‘parody weapon’ to you. See below.
Do you intend a decko at the comments?
 
Other salient links will be posted as convenient during the silly season; we are regularly taking days off to be with the grandchildren and whatever else we pick to relax with.
 
I somehow hope we all continue to have fun at your expense.
As a further aside: you should really not continue this farce in yet another column.
Sadly – you may just do that.
 
Regards
Geoff
 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: [New post] PVOs watch list for 2014
 

New post on Catallaxy Files

PVOs watch list for 2014

by Sinclair Davidson
Peter van Onselen has put out a pollie watch list for 2014. So he has 5 on the up and 5 on the down. It is the on the down choices that I'm interested in.
First he nominates Wayne Swan - but Swan has more or less disappeared from public life, if not actually the Parliament, when Julia Gillard lost office. PVO does suggest that Swan might be snapped up by the private sector. Surely not. The only people who could credibly employ him would be some union dominated super fund.
PVO also nominates the shadow ministry.
The collective of ageing shadow ministers who should have retired when the Labor government lost. It is remarkable how many former ministers past their prime stayed on to hog frontbench spots which should have gone to the likes of Nick Champion, Stephen Jones and Ed Husic. Expect a few to fall away next year, as they realise opposition ain't much fun.
This is correct. These are the people to watch because much the same thing happened after 2007. The then Coalition shadow ministry had the same problem. But as it became clearer that opposition was going to be a short term proposition the older members didn't retire and make space but hung on there. If the now shadow ministry starts retiring then that reveals their expectations of returning to government.
So far all good.
Then:
George Brandis or Christopher Pyne: Neither probably will fall from grace, but both have had poor starts as ministers. 2014 will either see them find their feet, or the mistakes will pile up and Abbott will need to act. The former is more likely for both men, but they will be closely scrutinised next year.
on Christopher Pyne I agree. While I think dumping Gonski would have been good policy, he completely fluffed the implementation.
What of George Brandis? I can't see him being in the same category as Pyne. I don't perceive him as having had a poor start. So I asked PVO on twitter what the story is. PVO nominates three areas where Brandis is vulnerable. Entitlements, hypocrisy, and not abolishing the Human Rights Commission.
So we're in full agreement on not abolishing the Human Rights Commission.
It is hard to get too excited about the entitlements thing. We covered it here at the Cat at the time and it is disgraceful and politicians should be paid in cash and all that. Okay - but I'm not convinced that Brandis is uniquely vulnerable in this area. Ultimately there is no real political cost in this area. If criminality come be demonstrated then it is a different story - but exploiting vague rules may cause a temporary stink and excite journalists and bloggers but I doubt there is any long-term cost here.
Then PVO and Brandis have been exchanging barbs in The Australian over hypocrisy and the meaning of partisanship. That is pure self-indulgence on PVOs part. Nobody cares. More importantly that isn't the risk Brandis faces in 2014.
The risk Brandis faces in 2014 is that the political left succeeds in discrediting Tim Wilson. I have no doubt they will give it a red-hot go. If they succeed an already overly cautious government will become more cautious. If they fail the Abbott government may acquire more of a backbone.
Sinclair Davidson | December 29, 2013 at 11:11 am | URL: http://wp.me/pScng-cz2
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Hello again PVO!
 
Good luck with it Geoff, do get back to me when you have some substantial and cogent words completed. I look forward to reading it if you manage to follow through on this commitment.
Regards
Peter

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On 29/12/2013, at 2:31 PM, "g87"<g87@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hello Peter
Congratulations,
You have in your two recent articles given me enough incentive to base a major essay, thesis, monograph or even a book on the subject of 
MEDIA MANIPULATION AND INSULTS TO THE INTELLIGENCE.
 
I may change the nomenclature – but methinks some people may recognize that it will be based on the
WINTROP PROFESSOR OF JOURNALISM AT WA UNI.
 
I will send you advance copies as I write it: you may be prepared to comment on salient segments.
Oh – by the way – I will try to find room for Emmerson: remember him?
His article is right next to yours in Saturday’s Oz.
 
Yours Sincerely
Geoff Seidner
 
 
 
 
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December 30, 2017, 3:55 pm
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From: Geoff Seidner <myemail99@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 9:28 AM
Subject: Fw: PROPORTIONALITY IF ISRAEL USED PEA SHOOTERS??
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From: g87
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: Fw: PROPORTIONALITY IF ISRAEL USED PEA SHOOTERS??
 
Hi Peter
What are the chances of publication?
Regards Geoff
 
From: g87
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:50 PM
Subject: PROPORTIONALITY IF ISRAEL USED PEA SHOOTERS??
 
PROPORTIONALITY IF ISRAEL USED PEA SHOOTERS??
 
Would Richardson suggest better PROPORTIONALITY IF ISRAEL USED PEA SHOOTERS??
 
Or would it please Richardson if the recognized terrorist group Hamas murdered more Jews? As is their constitutional aim?
Would it not be better if Israel had the Iron Dome taken away so proportionality could be restored?
 
Is Jewish blood to be so discounted in the world of the socialists that they have to die proportionally to the murderers?
Is that all there is in the perverse, nether world of ‘proportionalty’? Is this socialism wherein the weaker aggressor is not seen as such?
 
Should this sickening proportionality be taken to the degree that Israel cease to sacrifice young men and women and simply bomb them into the dark ages?
Israel could level Gaza within minutes.
Instead her soldiers seek to protect Gaza’s citizens by the disproportionate use of force : and her soldiers die disproportionally! In that they should not have to die!
The same citizens who cheer whenever aJew is murdered?
See above tangent ....Should this sickening proportionality be taken to the degree.....
 
I read Richardson’s article as well as having heard his internicine  ravings against the Jewish state on Skynews... for months...inc last night and or the night before!
And last week and earlier this week...over the years....
He is a regular guest on all 8 – 9 pm slots as well as having his [pathetic] RICHO one hour show.
As well as having to fill a column for The Oz.
 
So I say Richo is  plainly the popular diminutive of a modern trichotomy: Stupidity, wilful ignorance or merely evil.
Years ago we took the commentariat - those 'popularly' decimating Israel -  as stupid.
Soon we realized that they were wilfully ignorant.
Now I have reluctantly come to the realization that there is evil all around.
Tragically there are now new standards of anti semitism extant and the fear that we are living in dangerous times is reinforced daily.
Thanks, oh diminuted one!
 
Geoff Seidner
East St Kilda3183
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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December 30, 2017, 3:57 pm
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Sickening Phillip Adams ex May  2002

Now peace it together
By Phillip Adams
25may02

IN a recent conversation, Robert Fisk, arguably the best informed journalist on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, compared that dance of death with what was happening 40 years ago in Algeria. Responding to the Arabs' bombing of French cafes in Algiers, the occupying French army demanded carte blanche to "end terror". Their retaliation was brutal and included the use of torture. Contemporary writers, notably philosopher Raymond Aron, observed that the damage France was doing to the Algerians was nothing compared with the damage it was doing to itself.

Refusing to apportion blame in the conflict, Aron ignored the issues of terrorism, torture and France's campaign of state-sponsored political assassinations to assert that the facts demanded France withdraw. He insisted that the origins of the disaster no longer mattered. What mattered is that it had to end. In a fine essay on the Middle East crisis titled The road to nowhere (The New York Review of Books), Tony Judt, director of the Remarque Institute at New York University, applies Aron's thinking to the bloodbath in Israel. Like Fisk, he finds the similarities with the Algerian crisis overwhelming. And he calls for the same solution that Aron proposed.
I am pro-Israel. I'm also pro-Palestinian. This is not a contradiction. It is the only way to approach the most dangerous conflict in the world. So I wholeheartedly endorse Judt's advice to both sides.
He argues that the solution to the conflict "is in plain sight". Israel exists and the Palestinians and other Arabs will eventually accept this – as many do already. The Palestinians can neither be expelled from "Greater Israel" nor integrated into it. Shove them into Jordan and that nation will "explode, with disastrous consequences for Israel".
"Palestinians need a real state of their own and they will have one. The two states will be delineated in accordance with the map drawn up at the Taba negotiations in January 2001. Nearly all of the occupied territories will come under Palestinian rule. Thus the Israeli settlements in these territories are doomed and most of them will be dismantled.
"There will be no Arab right of return; and it is time to abandon the anachronistic Jewish one. Jerusalem is already largely divided along ethnic lines and will, eventually, be the capital of both states. Since these states will have a common interest in stability and shared security concerns, they will learn in time to co-operate. Community-based organisations like Hamas, offered the chance to transform themselves from terrorist networks into political parties, will take this path."
Judt reminds us that de Gaulle extricated his countrymen from Algeria with relative ease. Following 50 years of monstrous repression, white South Africans handed over power to a black majority who replaced them without violence or revenge. The most feared black in South Africa, Nelson Mandela, became an inspiration to the world.
Judt sees Israelis "still trapped in the story of their own uniqueness". For many Jews, their entitlements derive from the Jewish community that existed in the territory of modern Israel thousands of years ago. Others claim that God gave them title to the lands of Judea and Samaria. Others – and I include myself in this category – cite the Holocaust, arguing that this greatest of atrocities allows Jews to make great claims on the world.
But there are Israelis who state their case in geographic or Realpolitik terms. Back to Judt: "We are so vulnerable, they say, so surrounded by enemies, that we cannot take any risks or afford a single mistake. The French could withdraw across the Mediterranean; South Africa is a very large country. We have nowhere to go."
Behind every Israeli refusal to face the inevitability of hard choices "stands the implicit guarantee" of the US.
To visit Israel is to be astonished by its minuteness – and its sense of geographic vulnerability. But don't forget that the Israel of 2002 isn't the Israel of 1967. Today's Israel is a significant regional and colonial power and, by some measures, the world's fourth largest military establishment. It is, in short, a mighty nation.
Whereas the Palestinians' desperation is a measure of their weakness. They are so weak that their leader, Yasser Arafat, can be jailed in a couple of darkened rooms.
"While the failings of the Palestinian leadership have been abysmal and the crimes of Palestinian terrorists extremely bloody, the fact is that Israel has the military and political initiative," writes Judt. "Responsibility for moving beyond the present impasse thus falls primarily, though not exclusively, on Israel."
Why are the Israelis blind to this? Why do they insist on regarding themselves as, in Judt's words, "a small victim community, defending themselves with restraint and reluctance against overwhelming odds"? Arafat may have been an appalling leader. But Sharon is every bit as appalling – as the massacres in Lebanon attest. As his present policies prove. Arafat stands condemned for wasted opportunities but Israel has wasted much of the past 35 years. "In that time Israelis have built illegal compounds in the occupied territories and grown a carapace of cynicism towards the Palestinians, whom they regard with contempt." And the US has been "manipulated shamelessly".
Describing Sharon as "Israel's dark id", Judt speaks for many friends of Israel when he says that the Prime Minister has proven as bad as many of us feared. His vision clouded by his hatred of Arafat, his policies have denied Israel credible Palestinian negotiators. "If he ever gets rid of Arafat, and the bombers keep coming, as they will, what will Sharon do then?" asks Judt. "And what will he do when young Arabs from Israel itself, inflamed by Israel's treatment of their cousins in occupied Jenin and Ramallah, volunteer for suicide missions? Will he send the tanks into Galilee? Put up electric fences around the Arab districts of Haifa?"
Israelis can't forget the war of 1948, the Arabs' refusal to recognise their state before 1967 and the random massacres of the past year. But the Palestinians can't forget the mass expulsions of 1948, the land expropriations, the colonisation of the West Bank, the political assassinations.
But the enemies in Northern Ireland are learning to negotiate and will learn to forget. Judt reminds us of a 1944 SS massacre – the burning alive of 700 French men, women and children in the village of Oradour. Yet a few years later "France and Germany came together to form the core of a new European project".
Yes, Israel's present policy is "a road to nowhere". As Judt says, "there is no alternative to peace negotiations and a final settlement. And if not now, when?"philadams@ozemail.com.au
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Article in response to Phillip Adams V 3.1 !!
Good Morning,
 Tom Switzer, Judith Elen,
The Australian.
There is / [was] something here for everyone; Judith Elen, your letters editor will be happy,...... lots of rejoinders...... why even Mr Adams can point out what HE will think is a major error in my essay / article! Idid this just to make him happy. In fact ,it is of absolutely of NO consequence, if you read the latter part closely , refering just as closely to Adams' original.
However I thought better of it and have corrected the potential, ACADEMIC anomaly. You will have to read  v2 to see the so -called 'major error. Sorry, Mr Adams, you will have to work hard.
GS
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Article in response to Phillip Adams V 3.1!!
MORE CORRECTIONS MADE: MAINLY 'TYPOS', AND ADDITIONS AT THE LATTER PART ETC
Features / Opinion Editor;
Dear Mr Switzer,
Please note below article. Adams should not be allowed to get away without some recourse. If you cannot publish for some reason, please profer  to your letters Editor, Judith Elen. it would be SOME letter!
Geoffrey Seidner
13 Alston Gr East St Kilda  3183   Ph  03 9 525 9299        0407 525 929
A PEACE OF WHAT?!
Phillip Adams has not penned anything of value over the past decade.[Many have written letters attesting to this over the years. Give up, Phillip, you can always call it 'writers' block.] Letter writers to the Australian have  frequently written, decrying his half a dozen - or more - tirades against the Prime Minister. All within the past year. His latest attack seems to be Israel:The Australian, May 25 -26 2002 . [The Review, page R24]
He seeks 'protection' for his anti Israeli views by coalescing with an Arab apologist [Robert Fisk]and a motley band of academics he thinks add gravitas  to outrageous ideas.
Sadly he makes an unhealthy variation on the discreditable anti semites by line, with these words:
"I am pro Israel. I'm also pro Palestinian.This is not a contradiction....''
 [Tell me - just the two of us .... are your best friends still Jewish?]
Of course not, Phillip - of course it is not a contradiction! You are merely trying to hide your malfeasance via an aged contrivance. Me thinks you doth protest too much, or merely trying to con the reader into believing that the following verbiage is 'balanced'
 He attempts to make a comparison with France and the Algerian Civil War of 1954 -1962, without pointing out the unfair comparative dichotomy; Israel's significant  under -reaction , and France's  arguably different approach. There is no valid comparison for many other reasons; space mitigates against a prolix dissemination. In fact these discredited / comparative views were promulgated by Fisk on 17 /4/ 2001 in The Independent. It lacked objectivity then and was deservedly,  widely criticised.
Adams suggests, in an abstruce way- that the Arabs / Palestinians will eventually  accept Israel's right to exist. Eventually! Perhaps another  55 years? How many more terrorist attacks? Then he makes an oblique jump in logic by ignoring all the agreements that they have broken. Somehow he manages to whitewash the major terrorist group [Hamas], calling them ''community based'', [sounds like a mothers' play- group, the way it is put!] suggesting that they will co operate in some sort of  ''stability and shared security concerns''  Only an academic would try to get away with this piece of disengenious pap!
'Generously' he then postulates that there will be no Arab right of return, then goes on;  ''.... and it is time to abandon the anachronistic Jewish one''    Tell me Mr Adams, did you somehow forget what you wrote earlier? Let me quote your gratuituos words:                                                                                     
          ''...and I include myself in this category -cite the Holocaust , arguing that this greatest of attrocities allows  Jews to make great claims on the world''
So here we have a true academic in all sorts of trouble; effectively banning these same Jews .... Holocaust et al - from entering Israel as citizens !! Only an academic could ......
 The true leftie in Adams even allows him to have a go at the USA; ''Behind every Israeli refusal to face the inevitability of hard  choices stands the implicit guarantee of the US'' 
Hey Adams; are you really suggesting that the might of America will come down on the Palestinians / Arabs? Because in the very next paragraph you write;
''...Today's Israel is a significant regional and colonial power and, by some  measures, the world's fourth largest military establishment. It is , in short, a mighty nation.''
Only an academic could so tie himself up in subtle self - contradictions!  He seeks to somehow disparage Israel for being in one instance in de facto need of USA help, and then neatly , shamelessly suggesting a mutually exclusive concept!!  Only an academic could......
  Whilst begrudgingly agreeing that ''Arafat stands condemned for wasted opportunities'', within the same sentence he somehow manages to blame Israel;  ''but Israel has wasted much of the past 35 years''
[Yes,Adams, in a manner of speaking, you may be right. It is arguable that Israel has wasted much time and thousands of the lives of her citizenry by believing that an agreement  could be reached as part of many peace overtures and consessions! ]
Only an academic could justify this by rambling on, as per below, amongst other things.
 Possibly the worst of this article is his suggestion of  a quid pro quo relationship between what HE calls ''politicall assasinations''  and ....[so -called!!!]  '' .....mass expulsions of 1948, [the so- called!!!!] ''land expropriations, the colonisation of the West Bank ,'' [and - worst of all!!!]      THE POLITICALL ASSASINATIONS'' !!
He has a credibility problem, again. Why try to create moral equivalence between the murder of a five year old girl in her bed and the military reaction against  terrorists who somehow can bring themselves to such acts of depravity? I could not believe academics could......
  Never mind the attempts are revising history re  1948 ; ''...mass expulsions of 1948, the land expropriations .....'' Not enough time / opportunity to give you a history lesson in this article.
Stick to writing John Howard articles and simply bore people to death.
Geoffrey Seidner

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Phillip Adams believes in the JFK Conspiracy! #2 ex 2004

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:10 PM
Subject: Phillip Adams believes in the JFK Conspiracy!
In  his lamentable, typically boring anti American article ''War cries an insult to our intelligence''  [The Australian, 11/02] Phillip Adams actually blames Americans for ''....failing to protect president John F Kennedy from those who wanted him dead'' 
How sad that Phillip has forgotten the number of anti - conspiracy articles he has penned over the years. Of course they may have been better days: I find it incongruous that he thus supports the classical modern - day conspiracy, not even contemplating that some people recall his better days!
By the way, Phillip; you seek to ads gravitas to your scribbling by mocking the war against terror by reference to  the Harold Holt conspiracy: note that it was a Japanese submarine, not Chinese!
Geoff Seidner
13 Alston Grove East St Kida 3183  ..... 03 9525 9299
Letter  to Editor

The Australian Feb. 13 2004

I've got what Phillip Adams wants (Opinion, 11/2), a bullshit detector. It lights up like a Christmas tree everytime I read one of his columns.
Tony Cooke
Morisset, NSW

War cries an insult to our intelligence

11feb04

IN this era of technological triumphalism and digital dazzlements, you would think someone would have come up with a BSD. A bullshit detector. With circuitry installed in your TV, computer or mobile phone ready to buzz or blink when someone tries to lay it on with a trowel.

The old joke that asks: "How can you tell when a politician's lying?" is answered by: "When his lips move." Yet too many people remain oblivious to political lying. In many cases such credulity is wilful, a deliberate choice. How else could this ongoing BS about weapons of mass destruction remain an issue? Those fortunate enough to have a natural aptitude for BS detection were trying to warn the world what was going on throughout the preamble to the war in Iraq. When the only people on earth who believed, or pretended to believe that George W.Bush, Tony Blair and John Howard were telling the truth were to be found among the gullible and the culpable in the US, the UK and Australia.
The great fraud that went on for month after month, wherein our PM echoed the nonsense being pumped out in Washington and London, failed to convince a majority of Australians while being rejected and ridiculed by nations and populations around the world. The thuggery that went on at the UN, the revelations of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter and the blundering attacks on Hans Blix were clear evidence of Bush's and Blair's determination to bulldoze their countries into an unnecessary conflict. The BS was laid on so thick that you didn't need a detector. It was clear that Howard didn't believe what he was saying and hardly cared if we didn't believe him either.
Remember Howard's twaddle about no final decision having been made about our involvement? Australia's media was all but buried in Uluru-sized dollops of BS in an ongoing piece of political and media theatrics that was even less convincing, less plausible, than the silliest cosmetic ads.
While Baghdad's Baathists would be stunned by the scale of Washington's war, many of us were more shocked and awed by the scale of its BS. It wasn't the WMDs we were worrying about but the WBS. The powerful weapons of bullshit.
It's not an issue of the reliability of US Intelligence. When has it ever been reliable? Intelligence (sic) failed to notice that North Korea was about to invade the South. It was responsible for such glorious stuff-ups as the Bay of Pigs and, subsequently, failed to protect president John F. Kennedy from those who wanted him dead. Having grotesquely exaggerated the military might of the Soviet Union throughout the cold war, intelligence failed to predict communism's collapse. Then there was the small problem of its failure to protect the US from September 11.
BUT all this low IQ intelligence is nothing compared with the unintelligence, the idiocy, of what passes for political leadership. It was the scale of the exaggerations, the out-and-out fabrications, the bare-faced fraudulence of the whole preamble to the war in Iraq, that critics found profoundly offensive. One might have forgiven Bush and Co if, for a moment, they had believed what they were saying. If they had simply been misinformed. Or mistaken.
But it was all chicanery and charades, sexing up any intelligence that could be conjured by Washington while ignoring any contradictory information or advice. Critics were vilified, having their patriotism questioned. It became treasonable to protest.
We've witnessed an ugly war waged by ugly people against, yes, an ugly despot. And the WMD were just one of the lies used to justify it. Never forget the vacuous allegation (more unintelligent intelligence) that the invasion was an essential part of the war against terror because Iraq was in league with al-Qa'ida. Of course it was. Just as Harold Holt was plucked off Cheviot Beach by a Chinese submarine. Intelligence? Washington would have been better off relying on the revelations in owls' entrails or the horoscopes in women's magazines.
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