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M Burd and other..2 Letters to Editor Sat. Oct 3, 2015

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2 Letters to Editor 
Sat. Oct 3, 2015

Malcolm Turnbull is seeking a new pitch to Muslims to stem the departure of homegrown extremists to the Middle East and reduce threats within Australia (“PM to reset terror pitch to Muslims”, 2/10)
Four months after assuming office, US President Barack Obama visited Cairo. He said then: “We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.” Since that speech, the Middle East has become a basket case, and threats from homegrown terrorists have increased. No amount of platitudes, goodwill or grovelling can make Muslims in the Middle East put down their guns and stop their violence towards one another. The problem can only be solved by Muslims.

Michael Burd, Toorak, Vic


 I wish Malcolm Turnbull well in his attempts to recast the government’s relationship with Muslims through more inclusive policies. We are advised there is growing distrust of government within local Muslim communities. Trust is a double-edged sword. Perhaps there would be less alienation of Muslims in Australia if the rest of the general public were to see concrete manifestations of a desire to enter an alliance with modernity against the stone-age threat posed by Islamic State.
I, too, would like us all to get along. There is plenty of room for all creeds. And we must all play our part. I suggest local Muslim leaders listen to Jordan’s King Abdullah when he says, “First and foremost, this is our fight. Muslim nations have to lead this fight.” And so say all of us.
L. J. O’Donoghue, Blackburn, Vic

EDITORIAL Oct 3...Resetting relations with Australia’s Muslims

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Resetting relations with Australia’s Muslims

It’s not surprising that with a change of leadership comes an attempt to recast relations with Australia’s Muslim community. As with Malcolm Turnbull’s other political resets, it will take time to see what a shift in tone or a new approach actually amounts to. There is no talk of any weakening in the government’s anti-terror resolve; quite the contrary, better anti-terror co-operation is a key rationale for seeking to build more trust between Australian Muslims and authorities. Sydney GP and Muslim community leader Jamal Rifi — our 2015 Australian of the Year — has welcomed Mr Turnbull’s change of approach, saying: “We are hopeful and determined to change the status quo and roll up our sleeves to work with the present government to help protect Australia.”
As we reported on Friday, the government will seek to engage the Islamic community in a new, more inclusive way, avoiding what was said to be Tony Abbott’s blunt, divisive language. His preferred term for Islamic State — “the death cult” — jarred with many, although its rationale was precisely to put distance between terror and the word Islamic. It’s also said that the former prime minister put off his Muslim audience when in February he said he wished more Muslim leaders would describe Islam as a religion of peace and mean it; this implied that Mr Abbott knew which leaders were insincere. It’s true that Mr Abbott’s language on Islamist terror was less careful than that used by John Howard after the 2002 Bali bombing.
But the ultimate test of a shift in tone or approach is whether it makes Australia not only more cohesive as a multicultural society but safer from terror attacks. The threat level remains high and our agencies must remain ever ready to prevent or respond to deadly attacks. The case of a British teen now before the courts illustrates the protean nature of the threat. The 14-year-old from Lancashire was in contact with an Australian Islamic State recruiter — Abu Khaled al-Cambodi, or Neil Prakash — about an Anzac Day terror plot in Melbourne, an English court heard this week.
Cases such as this show the potential for rapid, global radicalisation of far-flung individuals who are harder to detect than traditionally organised networks of terrorists. In these circumstances, it’s vitally important for authorities to be able to rely on the eyes and ears of Muslim communities. Yet, as we reported on Friday, security agencies had told the government in the final months of Mr Abbott’s leadership that relations with the Islamic community were at their lowest ebb, making it harder for authorities to gain the trust and co-operation needed to prevent and detect terror threats. Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, who has been consulting 160 Muslim groups across the country on national security policy, said these communities felt marginalised (flashpoints of bigotry such as the anti-mosque mob in Bendigo do not help) and there was “a growing distrust” of government. She said: “Basically what has happened is they have clamped up, they are not really engaging, and therefore relationships have dried up … Of course, good intelligence is based on good relationships.”
The senator also said that Australia had wrongly dealt with violent extremism and the radicalisation of disenfranchised youth as a national security issue when in truth it was “a social issue with a national security angle”. This may be a question of emphasis. It is one thing to say that youth alienation is sometimes the background to Islamic extremism and quite another to try to explain away the Islamist character of extremism that cuts across society and culture.
Nor is it true to say that anti-terror laws target Australia’s Muslims; they target murderous acts of a kind witnessed all around the world — with the victims often being Muslim. In May, when we launched a series of articles on Muslim Australia, we said: “When a community is under siege, there are two possible responses. One is to turn away from the problem and cry bigotry or racism. The other is to face the problem squarely. Often it’s misguided outsiders (the jihadi denialists of Fairfax Media, for example, being unable to discern terrorism in the Lindt cafe siege) who refuse to confront problems pointed out by brave insiders such as Dr Rifi. It’s not about attacking Islam, it’s about rallying to the cause of good Muslims who are struggling for the soul of Islam.” This remains true. Of course politicians should avoid language that recklessly confronts and divides, but the language they use must also come to grips with the often anguished realities of our times — and it should not gloss over the robust anti-terror measures that our agencies are called on to take. Only time will tell whether the Turnbull government gets the balance right.



Lex
Why does our Government need to 're-set' its relations with the Muslim community? The very fact that we commonly refer to the "Muslim community" ought to define the true nature of the problem. 
They have chosen not to try to assimilate; many of them continue to dress strangely, and send their children to Muslim-only schools to be indoctrinated with a religious ideology which is antithetical to the Australian way of life; they claim victim status with every incident which involves anti-social or violent behaviour by Muslims; and they demand money from the taxpayer to fix a problem which they have no intention of fixing.
High time the Muslim community re-set its relations with mainstream Australia, and made a concerted effort to become integrated into our society by embracing its norms. And it won't take taxpayer funds to do so.
Jeffrey

Jeffrey
The reality of this ever-changing world is we regularly ignore the early warning signs and so only come to understand what has changed just as the door to avoiding the consequences closes; like now. 
Greg

Greg
Perhaps it is time that "our Muslims" reset their relationship with us........Only they can change it, about time they stepped up and did something.
Oswald

Oswald
the Japanese have it 'right on  the button'.
They have banned all Muslim migration.
NO religious proseletising of any sort. 
When in Japan you live as Japanese do.
If newcomers to this country so miss the Lifestyles they have left behind, then they should return to where they came from.
Bryan

Bryan
Imagine if we had heeded the advice of the "bigots" and not allowed Muslim migration in the first place. We would not have this problem now that said "bigots"predicted then.

Greg

Greg
@Bryan  If the bigots predicted what would happen, and in turn this is why they are bigots........does that mean that they were not in fact bigots but just right???
Ian

Ian
Struggling for the soul of Islam? Seriously?! Islam is a religion in desperate need of reform. Even if we could wave a magic wand and rid Australia of extremism, we would still be left with a religion that fundamentally rejects the rights of women, homosexuals, secularists and people practising other faiths. 
Roger

Roger
Muslims often cite Australia's involvement with bombing campaigns in the Middle East as justification for the terrorist attacks at home. Perhaps they are correct? It may not be wise from a security perspective to allow immigrants who sympathise with those countries we are at war with. 
Jason

Jason
Tony Abbott was not divisive in his language - he was straight.
Straight-talking in Australia is now called bigotry, racism, sexism and a million other types of -ism. Are we safer or more kind to each other or more trusting of one another because we can no longer talk straight without being monstered to death by teachy-preachy types?
I certainly can't see it.
Jeffrey

Jeffrey
Immigration policy and multiculturalism are two topics we must not publicly discuss in this country for fear of ridicule and censure; even as those policies are failing us.    Time to call it like it is, multiculturalism has been used by many of those running our country as a tool to socially reengineer our society; but, now we are seeing the down sides we are unable to discuss them openly for fear of offending those politicians and their supporters that caused the problem.
Karin

Karin
There should not be a call for funds from the Muslim community. If they were as outraged as many of us are they should be able to use workshops not to spread more violence but to do the exact opposite. Yet there is another workshop this weekend in Melbourne who is being used to spread more hatred.  Nobody stops them.  It costs nothing to teach young people at home either that they live in a peaceful country now which supports them every step they make. Why on earth come here if they hate us so much unless they have an agenda. 

Bryan

Bryan
@Karin The agenda is the spread of Islam worldwide. It's no secret. Over one hundred verses in the Koran call for fighting against the unbeliever: Allah's unchanging command. Mr Turnbull?

Jason

Jason
@Karin  There have been calls to fund de-radicalisation programs involving so-called "former radicals".
My question would be: if they could preach hate without government funding, why do they now need to be paid by the government to do the opposite? It starts to look less like de-radicalisation than it is extortion - hand over the money or bad things will happen.
When we need to bribe a very small part of our community to behave themselves as citizens we have a very bad problem.

Lex

Lex
@Jason Spot on, Jason. Nailed it in one. Handing over taxpayer money to fund so-called 'de-radicalisation programs' (now there's an oxymoron if ever I heard one)  is tantamount to extortion, all right. 
"De-radicalisation" is like paying the groom to close the stable door after he has caused the horse to bolt. 



Alex

Alex
Concetta Fierravanti-Wells does not know what she is talking bout. There have long been many, many disenfranchised youth in Australia but they don't go around shooting strangers in cold blood.
Pouring resources into one community which tends to such violence is grossly unfair to the genuinely disadvantaged youth who never get the break they need and would be grateful for.

Sakun

Sakun
@Alex Excellent. Well done. Indigenous people out bush have been worse off and have never harmed us this way. God bless them. 
Richard

Richard
Apologies to the family of Mr Curtis Cheng .... that our government has failed to protect him against terrorism.

Richard

Richard
Islamic groups are not being persecuted - rather their whinge is that they are being treated equally with all others when what they want is preferential treatment. Appeasing them will never work.

Tony Abbott appeased the Islamic lobby (among others) and bowed to demands not to reform 18C of the RDC by removing the words 'offend' and 'insult'. I think this was a very serious mistake by Abbott, and I think Turnbull is redoubling that mistake, and making matter even worse.
While soever any minority religious or cultural group in Australia gains traction and attention when they say they "feel marginalized", then we know for sure that apologizing to them for their feelings will never work. It only encourages them to think they are winning the preferential attention they seek.
  
Rather Australians want a leader who proudly proclaims and promotes the secular values in our Constitution and our principles of liberal democracy. I cannot see Turnbull doing this, and even Abbott was a bit wimpish. Australia needs strong leadership where all religions and cultures plus the irreligious are all absolutely unequivocally and exactly equal under our Constitution and government.

Alex

Alex
Hear, hear.
Post-war migration worked in the 1950s because the national leaders were strongly committed to what was best for Australia and did not put up with nonsense.
Also, there was no divisive multiculturalism or its associated mega-gravy train funded by the billions, manipulating migrants against the mainstream for its own power bloc. There is only so much hindrance to good government that a country can take.
There could not be a more stupid way to run, and ruin, a country.
lindsay

lindsay
You wonder whether Dr Rifi wishes  he had bitten his tongue, when asked to comment yesterday.
Ross

Ross
And how did day 1 go for the new policy reset?

Geoff

Geoff
@Ross I saw one major U-turn.
Those Australian flags that Abbott was mocked by the media for using were back in the frame again - behind PM Turnbull.
Chips

Chips
Turnbull is a closet socialist that will sell us all down the drain to get his ideals across. Unfortunately we have no conservatives in government anymore. The facts are that Australians are losing our country, and are being forcefully made to accept a socially engineered mess of religious bigotry and a medieval cult that is as far from compatible with our way of life that you can get, this has changed our home land forever. I believe we are stepping closer to major social disorder and civil unrest never seen in this country - all because these idiots we call politicians pander and bow to these minority's, along with their sycophantic colleagues. Maybe this country needs a dose of reality to realize what is worth fighting for and why we do. Because the apathy and ignorance displayed in Australia surely deserves to be paid in spades for allowing the present circumstances to get where they are today. Im ashamed of our weak leadership and the spiteful con that these bastards have led us to.

Ian

Ian
@Chips  Do people from the socially conservative right have any idea about economic policy settings??
Pauline Hanson is a conservative - do you think she embraces deregulation, privatization, free trade?
Many social conservatives are closet socialists. There is a reason the Nats are often referred to as Agrarian Socialists
I suppose David Cameron is a closet socialist in your eyes given his acceptance of SSM and embrace of action on carbon emissions... just don't mention his economic policies
I assume the economy is not as important for you as it is for me

Chips

Chips
@Ian If you want your your economic utopia, youd be better prepared to make your country strong and socially cohesive - two things that are anathema to islam and those inveigled by it. But on the other hand people like you who purport to be "for" your country would allow "anything goes" to make a bent penny or two. And BTW Cameron is a closet socialist who pandered to an insignificant minority and also appeased the socialist elite to respond to a fake religion called climate change. Ordinary people see through this crap, and with the advent of a clown like Turnbull coming to power we even more so are becoming more angry.

Ian

Ian
@Chips @Ian  Oh ok so now Turnbull and David Cameron are closet socialists-
Gee I think we may have a look at the voting patterns of the investment bankers in this country
Any of them who might agree with SSM equality need to come out of the closet and declare themselves SOCIALISTS
Your views are delusional
lindsay

lindsay
@Ian @Chips  How do you know his economic policies, we haven't seen any yet.
Waiting with baited breath for all that reform and renewal we have been promised.
Waffling is not an official policy.
John

John
Malcolm, dont use the same reset button  Hillary used with Russia a few years ago. It was obviously faulty. Actually the reset button you now want to use will suffer the same fate as it originates from the same flawed philosophical factory..

John Oxford
Linda

Linda
I have an open mind - I would be perfectly prepared to read an explanation from a Muslim spokesperson in an article in The Australian, of just why radicalisation of Muslim youths is such a problem in their community. Go for it.

Kevin

Kevin
I think we should ask our Muslim community to publically express one of our key Australian values, "Equal Rights for Women".
This one move alone, would change the debate away from terrorism and religions of peace. Most migrant Muslims came here partly, to get equal rights for their wives and daughters and we undoubtedly deliver that for them.
We need a conversation about what being an Australian Muslim really means, and how that alone differs them from the overseas Muslim jihadists.

Lex

Lex
@Kevin Agree wholeheartedly - with one minor exception. We need Muslims to have a conversation about what being an Australian really means - which is that one's religion is a private matter which plays no part in the formation or implemetation of our laws. . 
Margaret

Margaret
And was yesterday's shooting at Parramatta just another emphatic endorsement of Turnbull's new engagement with our Moslem friends?
Margaret's bestie.

Ian

Ian
@Margaret  Such a mature and sophisticated blog!!

Karin

Karin
@Ian @Margaret Hey Ian..try to make comments on the article and don't try to intimidate people by attacking them.

Anthony

Anthony
Its the only way the Lefties operate. They don't want to face up to the fact that terrorism is on the rise and neither the media or our politicians are on the side of the average Australian.
Bryan

Bryan
A picture caption in The Australian: "Police search for motive in Sydney shooting."
You're having a lend, aren't you? Seriously?
A small hint that you're going fearlessly where the facts lead you would be welcome.
Time to profile those wretched Presbyterians?

Ross

Ross
And while that goes on we continue to import more of the problem through our immigration policies which gives priority to political correctness over national interest
Roger

Roger
It seems the Parramatta shooter was a 15 year old boy of middle eastern appearance yelling religious slogans. On the very day the government announces a reset of relations with the Islamic community, this happens. 

Peter

Peter
@Roger  Carol's comment from nine hours ago "Well, that worked well didn't it?" has turned out to be quite apt.
Murray

Murray
Yeh, the kid did not get the memo. Or if he did he did not read it or tore it up. Good luck to us on the softly, softly approach. But here's the thing. Religious nutters, sourced from disaffected youth or educated adults are and remain religious nutters. They do not have a reset button. Expect more of the same.

gary

gary
Why do we pander to this section of society, we never have to listen to Buddhists telling us how to live or moaning how hard done by they are, same with Jews. They want to live here, we all do, so live in peace or leave, simples.

Helen

Helen
@ gary.
Yes indeed why is it that we do not pander to the demands of the Buddhists, Jews, Chinese or ANY other group in this country.... ?
Becasue they don't make any demands.
Except for Muslims, all other migrant geoups who have come to is country have been happy to fit in with THIS country's cultures, religions and laws and NOT expect this country to fit in with their theirs.
While the migrants who. Ame beforw the Muslims wanted to integrate with mainstream Australia, the Muslims have wanted to stand outside the mainstream and whinge and complain about how badly done by they are.
What we see is that this country has provided more to this group of migrants than all the other groups combined.
Over 160 Islamic Councils, over 350 Mosques, hundreds of Islamic schools and "education" centres as well as fast tracking students into Universities and jobs as well as the fact they they are the largest welfare recipients and accepting thousands refugees into resettlement programs while 50,000 still remain in thr Community who are mostly economic migrants.
Despite all tht tbis cou try has done, the word back from Muslims is that we have not done enough and they feel isolated and threatened. Why have NONE of the other migrant groups behaved this way?
They are also trying to stop and muzzle our RIGHTS to protest things that we do NOT want to go ahead as is OUR right.
For example, the 2000 person Super mosque in Bendigo. There are puportedly 300 Muslims in Bendigo who want a 2000 person mosque to be built there, WHY? And why have the residents of Bendigo been pushed into accepting it?
When Tony Abbot called for a " team Australia" he meant EVERYONE. He did NOT say " Team Australia except Muslims".
It was the Muslims ( aided by the ABC) who CHOSE to make and take that as an attack on them.
That is because Muslims want to remain outside of mainstream Australia and under the Policy of Multiculturalism they are legally able to remain on the outside without ever having to integrate.
This will never stop under the current Policy of Multiculturalism and even this article is pandering to their false victimhood status.
Muslims in this country must start integrating as ALL other immigrants have done, but then they won't be able to keep playing their poor "us" and nasty " them" game if they do that.
This is what no government or Media editor or PM have understood about why so many people are angry about this group of people.
As well as their religion which has the opposite message of Christianity, ie " turn the other cheek", "love thy neighbour", forgive those who tresspass against us" etc it is their continuous never ending DEMANDS and accusations that we are not doing enough for them.
When will enough be enough and when will they stop playing the " victim" game to get more and more of waht they want?




Police worker, assassin dead in city shootout OCT 3, 2015

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oct 5,,,,.Terror shooting: Teen killer ‘turned’ at Parramatta mosque

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Terror shooting: Teen killer ‘turned’ at Parramatta mosque

Members of Farhad Jabar’s family outside the State Coroner’s Court in Sydney’s inner-city Glebe yesterday.
The 15-year-old who shot dead a police employee in Sydney is ­believed to have been ­radicalised through worshippers he met at one of the city’s mainstream mosques where other teenagers are known to have sympathies for the terrorist group Islamic State.
Farhad Khalil ­Mohammad Jabar would regularly skip school to pray at the Parramatta Mosque, less than 1km from the NSW Police State Crime Command building where he ­executed 58-year-old accountant Curtis Cheng on ­Friday afternoon.
Detectives searched the mosque on Saturday night after reports Jabar had been seen there before his attack, only hours after imams leading the day’s service included one associated with the controversial ­political group Hizb-ut-Tahrir.
Hizb-ut-Tahrir officials yesterday refused to condemn ­Friday’s killing during a public protest against the involvement of Western governments in the Middle East.
Like Islamic State, the org­anisation believes in the establishment of a “caliphate” or auto­nomous Muslim state and has been declared a terrorist ­organ­isation by other countries, ­although it does not endorse ­violence publicly.
One of the speakers at the rally, Hamzah Qureshi, said Hizb-ut-Tahrir would “stand with the Muslims of Syria”.
“The day is not far where we will witness a world where our children and our grandchildren will once again see the light of Islam as the world saw for centuries before,” he told the protest.
Responding to Friday’s killing, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and NSW Premier Mike Baird held a teleconference with Muslim leaders on Saturday.
Yesterday, Foreign Min­ister Julie Bishop told the ABC’s ­Insiders program that families were Australia’s “frontline of ­defence against radicalised young people”.
“We’re certainly reaching out to the leaders of the Muslim community, but (also) working with the families at a grassroots local level,” she said.
Several of those involved in Saturday’s teleconference told The Australian they welcomed an apparent change of tone in the government’s ­response to the latest terrorist ­attack on home soil. Jabar, who was shot by police special constables, is thought to have been born in Iran, after his Kurdish family fled Saddam Hussein’s ­regime in Iraq, ­before moving to Australia several years ago.
He began to regularly attend Parramatta Mosque during the past two years, often praying there several times a day and staying late with a group of other young men. Several other teenage worshippers at the mosque are believed by authorities to ­privately support Islamic State, which has seized control of a large area of Syria and Iraq.
While these views are not ­endorsed by the mosque’s ­administration, several of its worshippers have also come to the attention of police involved in counter-terrorism operations in recent years. This revelation will raise questions over the handling of these worshippers by the mosque and law-enforcement officials.
A key part of the police investigation into Friday’s killing will be whether Jabar was radicalised solely through exposure to this group or through the influential online propaganda produced by Islamic State and its affiliates.
The group released an internet video in June apparently showing two of its fighters assassinating uniformed officials using an unprovoked pistol shot to the head — the same technique used by Jabar.
“It’s not something random that happened,” said Mofhu Sarani, a Sydney doctor who has been closely involved with the city’s Kurdish community since arriving as a refugee in 1992.
“He was in the mosque before the incident happened … unfortunately, now we hear of a lot of radical groups in different mosques — they use radicalism to target Western countries.
“The Australian security forces should find the group and work on the groups to stop these incidents … As the Kurdish community we are disappointed. We hope it never happens again.’’
Parramatta Mosque chairman Neil El-Kadomi condemned the killing. “We give our condolences to the (police employee) and his family. We will not say anything until the police investigation is finished,’’ he said.
Police do not believe Jabar knew or specifically targeted his victim, whose family yesterday released a statement saying that it was “deeply saddened and heartbroken that he has been taken from us’’.
The teenager’s shooting of Cheng is thought to have been opportunistically, Jabar possibly believing him to be one of the plainclothes police detectives employed at the State Crime Squad headquarters. “It could have been anyone walking out of the building and he’s come from behind and shot him. He would have looked like any one of us,” one police source said.
While Jabar had not previously come to the attention of police, it is understood a close family relation had contact with another Sydney man who has been charged with recruiting others to travel to fight in Syria.
Jabar’s sister is also being investigated after leaving Australia for Turkey a day before the shooting, with police considering the possibility she may have since travelled on to Syria or Iraq.
She is understood to have not left any message for her family explaining where she was going, and to have not been in contact with police since.
Another central question being pursued by the strikeforce investigating the killing is how a 15-year-old was able to get hold of the pistol used in the attack, although police have asked that details of this inquiry not be published for operational reasons.
An inquest into the most recent comparable attack in Sydney — December’s Lindt cafe siege — has heard the gun used was most likely bought on the black market and there is no record of it being imported into Australia.
Jabar’s family formally identified his body yesterday and repeatedly refused to talk to reporters.
Additional reporting: Mark Schliebs, Simon King

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Terror shooting: Teen killer ‘turned’ at Parramatta mosque


Members of Farhad Jabar’s family outside the State Coroner’s Court in Sydney’s inner-city Glebe yesterday.
The 15-year-old who shot dead a police employee in Sydney is ­believed to have been ­radicalised through worshippers he met at one of the city’s mainstream mosques where other teenagers are known to have sympathies for the terrorist group Islamic State.
Farhad Khalil ­Mohammad Jabar would regularly skip school to pray at the Parramatta Mosque, less than 1km from the NSW Police State Crime Command building where he ­executed 58-year-old accountant Curtis Cheng on ­Friday afternoon.
Detectives searched the mosque on Saturday night after reports Jabar had been seen there before his attack, only hours after imams leading the day’s service included one associated with the controversial ­political group Hizb-ut-Tahrir.
Hizb-ut-Tahrir officials yesterday refused to condemn ­Friday’s killing during a public protest against the involvement of Western governments in the Middle East.
Like Islamic State, the org­anisation believes in the establishment of a “caliphate” or auto­nomous Muslim state and has been declared a terrorist ­organ­isation by other countries, ­although it does not endorse ­violence publicly.
One of the speakers at the rally, Hamzah Qureshi, said Hizb-ut-Tahrir would “stand with the Muslims of Syria”.
“The day is not far where we will witness a world where our children and our grandchildren will once again see the light of Islam as the world saw for centuries before,” he told the protest.
Responding to Friday’s killing, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and NSW Premier Mike Baird held a teleconference with Muslim leaders on Saturday.
Yesterday, Foreign Min­ister Julie Bishop told the ABC’s ­Insiders program that families were Australia’s “frontline of ­defence against radicalised young people”.
“We’re certainly reaching out to the leaders of the Muslim community, but (also) working with the families at a grassroots local level,” she said.
Several of those involved in Saturday’s teleconference told The Australian they welcomed an apparent change of tone in the government’s ­response to the latest terrorist ­attack on home soil. Jabar, who was shot by police special constables, is thought to have been born in Iran, after his Kurdish family fled Saddam Hussein’s ­regime in Iraq, ­before moving to Australia several years ago.
He began to regularly attend Parramatta Mosque during the past two years, often praying there several times a day and staying late with a group of other young men. Several other teenage worshippers at the mosque are believed by authorities to ­privately support Islamic State, which has seized control of a large area of Syria and Iraq.
While these views are not ­endorsed by the mosque’s ­administration, several of its worshippers have also come to the attention of police involved in counter-terrorism operations in recent years. This revelation will raise questions over the handling of these worshippers by the mosque and law-enforcement officials.
A key part of the police investigation into Friday’s killing will be whether Jabar was radicalised solely through exposure to this group or through the influential online propaganda produced by Islamic State and its affiliates.
The group released an internet video in June apparently showing two of its fighters assassinating uniformed officials using an unprovoked pistol shot to the head — the same technique used by Jabar.
“It’s not something random that happened,” said Mofhu Sarani, a Sydney doctor who has been closely involved with the city’s Kurdish community since arriving as a refugee in 1992.
“He was in the mosque before the incident happened … unfortunately, now we hear of a lot of radical groups in different mosques — they use radicalism to target Western countries.
“The Australian security forces should find the group and work on the groups to stop these incidents … As the Kurdish community we are disappointed. We hope it never happens again.’’
Parramatta Mosque chairman Neil El-Kadomi condemned the killing. “We give our condolences to the (police employee) and his family. We will not say anything until the police investigation is finished,’’ he said.
Police do not believe Jabar knew or specifically targeted his victim, whose family yesterday released a statement saying that it was “deeply saddened and heartbroken that he has been taken from us’’.
The teenager’s shooting of Cheng is thought to have been opportunistically, Jabar possibly believing him to be one of the plainclothes police detectives employed at the State Crime Squad headquarters. “It could have been anyone walking out of the building and he’s come from behind and shot him. He would have looked like any one of us,” one police source said.
While Jabar had not previously come to the attention of police, it is understood a close family relation had contact with another Sydney man who has been charged with recruiting others to travel to fight in Syria.
Jabar’s sister is also being investigated after leaving Australia for Turkey a day before the shooting, with police considering the possibility she may have since travelled on to Syria or Iraq.
She is understood to have not left any message for her family explaining where she was going, and to have not been in contact with police since.
Another central question being pursued by the strikeforce investigating the killing is how a 15-year-old was able to get hold of the pistol used in the attack, although police have asked that details of this inquiry not be published for operational reasons.
An inquest into the most recent comparable attack in Sydney — December’s Lindt cafe siege — has heard the gun used was most likely bought on the black market and there is no record of it being imported into Australia.
Jabar’s family formally identified his body yesterday and repeatedly refused to talk to reporters.
Additional reporting: Mark Schliebs, Simon King

oct 5 ...been washed by fake scholars’

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Sydney terror shooting: ‘He must have been washed by fake scholars’


15-year-old Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar.
On paper, Farhad Jabar should not have been a terrorist.
He was born in Iran to Iraqi-Kurd parents who fled their home country in fear of persecution. He was at the top of the list when the under-15s basketball team at his high school was named just six months ago. He was into reality TV and soccer.
Jabar was known for having a troubled, but not troublesome, demeanour. Others at Arthur Phillip High School cannot remember him ever swearing. He was picked on, but was not one for violent retaliation. Of all the words used to describe him by those who have met him, the most common is “quiet”.
But sometime between his entering high school and his arrival outside NSW police headquarters at 4.30pm on Friday, Jabar embraced terrorism and killed Curtis Cheng
Authorities are still trying to piece together who caused that change in him, and why he decided to kill a NSW police employee who was unlucky enough to have walked out of that Charles Street building at the time.
All of Australia’s terrorist attacks and plots since September last year have been linked to Islamic State — currently fighting Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq. It is also a solely Sunni jihadist group. But for nearly all of his life, Jabar counted Shia Muslims and even non-Muslims among his small number of friends. While watchingThe Voice on TV, he backed the team coached by Ricky Martin — an openly gay pop star. And he played team sports, which are frequently promoted by governments as a way to counter “violent extremism”.
“With a kid as young as 15, coming from the background that he came from where there’s no warning signs, I think we’ve got to assume that there are other people who came into his life and there was a degree of deliberate manipulation,” Deakin University terrorism expert Greg Barton said.
In that sense, Professor Barton said, it was unlikely Jabar was a “lone-wolf” — in terms of being an extremely isolated loner who organically self-radicalises.
Those who have known him, on the basketball court, in the playground and in the classroom, firmly agree. “His mind must have been washed by the fake scholars,” one upset boy said. Another fellow student painted a picture of Jabar as a sad loner who would play handball by himself and would rather stay at school until 4.30pm than head home on the final bell.
“He always seemed really cautious. He always looked upset,” the student said. “He was picked on a lot by the boys, he was an easy target. He only had about one or two friends.” Sport was one passion Jabar was known for. The other was religion. “He was so religious and quiet,” another schoolmate said. At the Parramatta Mosque — the last place he went before heading to NSW police — he would always try to be in the front row for prayers. He was there for nearly all of the daily prayers, even if it meant skipping school.
Often, he went with a group of boys of around the same age.
Even as a 10-year-old, Farhad appeared different to his peers. He created a Facebook page but most of the “friends” he added appear to be much older, and they would share photos of parties and girls and gang-style tattoos.
They may have been friends of Farhad’s older siblings, whose backgrounds are being examined by authorities. An older brother tipped off police about Jabar’s identity soon after Mr Cheng was gunned down on Friday.
Jabar’s older sister left the country last week, and authorities suspect she is destined for Syria. Like Jabar, she was not on the radar of police.

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Sydney shooting: Targeting teenage terror

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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, 15, shot dead a police IT worker in Sydney on Friday. Pictu
Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, 15, shot dead a police IT worker in Sydney on Friday. Picture: AAPSource: AAP
Like other teenagers, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar played soccer and basketball and watched the Nine Network’s singing sensation The Voice.
But on Friday, this quiet boy from Sydney’s west changed into black flowing robes and executed a NSW police employee outside the force’s Parramatta headquarters during his school holidays.
Muslim community leaders are grappling with how to prevent young people such as Jabar being drawn to the cult of violent extremism. Last year, 18-year-old Numan Haider was shot dead after attacking two counter-terrorism officers with a knife outside the Endeavour Hills police station in Melbourne’s southeast. In May, police arrested a 17-year-old boy in Melbourne’s north believed to have been plotting a Mother’s Day massacre, finding three pipe bombs in his bedroom. And in Britain, a 15-year-old boy was last week sentenced to life in prison for plotting an Anzac Day parade massacre in Melbourne.
Islamic Council of Victoria secretary Kuranda Seyit says parents are often the last to know that their children are plotting such heinous crimes. He says he has spoken to several distressed parents who have become aware of their children’s radicalisation only after a knock on the door from security officers or after their teenagers have already bought a ticket to fight in foreign conflict zones.
“The parents are absolutely gobsmacked when they find out,” he says. “Initially they are in a sense of denial that their child could be thinking about doing something like this and they’re confused about how their young child went down this pathway.”
There is a suggestion Jabar’s family had links to a Sydney man charged with recruiting others to join the fight in Syria, and his sister is feared to have travelled to join that conflict. However, Seyit says the parents he has spoken to have been just “normal Muslims”. He says there has been little in place to help them recognise when their children are becoming radicalised or to support them when they do.
“The Muslim community across Australia is really finding itself in a bind,” he says. “It really wants to support the government but the reality is neither the government nor the security agencies, or the Muslim community, understands how to tackle this problem … We are behind the eight ball.”
Seyit believes the government has been too slow to invest in prevention. He wants to be able to offer counselling and mentoring to young people at risk, as well as support for parents.
The government says it has tripled funding for programs to counter violent extremism from $3 million a year to $40m over four years. Some of this funding has been awarded to community-based organisations to develop the skills to help individuals turn away from violent ideologies.
Sydney Muslim community leader Jamal Rifi agrees with Seyit that parents can do more to detect when children are being radicalised and to seek help from others.
“The best way to be able to do this is the mums and dads,” he says.
“That’s the missing link and this is what we were shouting from the roofs.”
On Saturday night, Rifi was part of a teleconference with Malcolm Turnbull, NSW Premier Mike Baird and others to discuss deradicalisation and how the government can engage with the Muslim community.
Rifi says there’s been a dramatic — and positive — change in the federal government’s approach. He says previously the government and the Muslim community were “pulling in opposite directions” and the government was not working with the community to prevent radicalisation of young people.
“Right now, the message is different,” he says. “The Prime Minister and the Premier, they listened. It has never happened before, not with any other prime minister. It was more about engaging and being in a real partnership ... It’s about getting the Muslim community to play a role and we want to play a role.”
National security experts want the government to do more to prevent young people from becoming engaged with violent extremism — but don’t necessarily think this should be put on to Muslim organisations or mums and dads.
One security source wants the approach to be much more closely targeted at those individuals already linked to known terrorists, because it is those people who are most at risk of going on to plot other attacks.
He says the government has failed until now to put in place any sort of intervention aimed at ­diverting those individuals from violence, using counsellors, psychologists or other experts.
Only in the most recent budget, he says, did the government set aside $11.5m over four years for this sort of intervention, pointing out this was dwarfed by its investment of $640m for prosecution and intelligence and $545m for multicultural or social cohesion programs.
The source says while the Muslim community must be part of any overall strategy, such targeted intervention must be led by police.
“For such high-risk areas as this, while the community thinks quite rightly that it can help in this area, we are talking about individuals who kill people ... you can’t have an intervention that is not police-led,” he says. “They (the police) can co-ordinate with ASIO and law enforcement and actually know all the background information that the community is never going to know.”
However, Islamic State has developed a slick social media strategy aimed at recruiting young, often disaffected individuals to its cause and inciting them to violence. Monash University counterterrorism expert Greg Barton says the group deliberately targets anyone online who expresses an interest in the organisation and invests time in winning their confidence.
“It’s cunning and effective, particularly when it involves very young people,” he says.
“In some cases it is true we know of a level of risk because we know of family connections. But in other cases there is simply no warning, it just happens to be a random thing — someone wanders on to an online discussion, asks a question … and a relationship builds from there.”
Barton says the government must get better at systematically following up with every young person stopped at an airport or diverted from possible terrorist activity, and to ensure experts and community members work with them to lead them on to a healthier path.
He also believes the general community should be educated to look for warning signs of radicalisation. He says the alleged Melbourne Mother’s Day massacre plot was only prevented because of the “gutsy” decision of one of the boy’s friends to contact a security hotline after he became concerned about his social media posts.
Curtin University associate professor Anne Aly, an expert in counter-terrorism, says the 15-year-olds of today were born at the time of the 9/11 terror attacks and have grown up with the rhetoric of the “war on terror”.
She says that attack was a missed opportunity to teach young people about the harms of violence and to empathise with its victims. She believes schools should help to prevent the problem in subtle ways, for example by teaching students how to resolve conflict in nonviolent ways and to understand the consequences of violence. Even eight-year-olds can be taught that and benefit from those lessons.
She also thinks parents should be braver at discussing issues such as the conflict in the Middle East with their children.
Barton says while the government was recently criticised for some clumsily chosen examples in its anti-radicalisation kit distributed to schools last month, it is a good idea to help teachers, parents and others recognise someone whose wellbeing is at risk.
Like other initiatives, he says, “it’s hard to get it absolutely right but its absolutely vital that we keep trying”.

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Sydney shooting: Malcolm Turnbull passes first test on terrorism

Malcolm Turnbull has passed his first test as a national security leader after the shocking terrorist murder outside the police centre at Sydney’s Parramatta.
The essence of Turnbull’s wisdom here has been balance.
He has said essentially three things. The first, this is a shocking, cold-blooded murder and our thoughts and prayers are with the victim’s family and the NSW Police Service.
Second, this is an act of terrorism.
Third, no one should attrib­ute guilt by association for this terrible act to the Muslim community or to any other Muslims individually. The need for dialogue with the Muslim community is not only to maintain social cohesion but also to help in ­efforts to counter the radicalis­ation of young people. Each ­element of these messages was necessary. To miss any one would have been to unbalance the response.
Turnbull’s response has won appreciation and support from each of the relevant audiences: the public generally, NSW police, security agencies and leaders of Muslim communities.
Turnbull’s government signalled in its earliest days that it was going to change the tone of the rhetoric it used in relation to terrorism.
No one could doubt Tony ­Abbott’s abundant goodwill in this area, but his rhetoric had become a little clunky, the constant repetition of the phrase “the death cult” was off-putting and some Muslim community leaders felt he had been a bit rough with them, in particular
in his remark he wished more Muslim leaders would say Islam was a religion of peace and mean it.
In any event, numbers of otherwise moderate and mainstream Muslim leaders felt alienated and some degree of co-operation had declined.
National security agency leaders are at one in thinking that a warm embrace of the Muslim community, which is overwhelmingly law-abiding, was necessary in principle and also for effective counter-terrorist work.
The relevant parliamentary secretary, Connie Fierravanti-Wells, told this newspaper that many Muslims felt alienated from the government’s approach.
Turnbull has an opportunity therefore to reset the tone of the government’s interaction with community leaders in Australia. This cannot come at the expense of going soft on terrorism.
If Turnbull was going to make a mistake, it would have been in not wanting to classify this hideous event as terrorism. But as NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione remarked, this was violence with a political motivation and therefore it was terrorism. That Turnbull had no hesitation in calling this killing was very important.
Some in the government were privately uncertain whether it had been wise to label even the Sydney Lindt cafe killings as terrorism, because the perpetrator was clearly unbalanced and had acted without direct contact with Islamic State, yet many terrorists around the world are unbalanced, he had used ISIS iconography in the attack and Islamic State had called directly for such unprovoked attacks.
For all that the response to the Parramatta shootings has been swift, effective and assured, and well co-ordinated between state and federal law enforcement agencies and political leaders, this is a terrible moment for Australia.
Not only has an innocent husband and father been killed, but this is now the third fatal terrorist incident in Australia in a short period of time. Apart from the Lindt cafe killings, there was Numan Haider’s attack on Victoria Police in which the assailant was killed, and now the Parramatta shooting.
Our intelligence and police agencies do a fine job in keeping Australians safe. Co-operation with the Muslim community itself is a central part of that, but our political leaders must also answer critical questions: are the resources adequate to tackle the problem, are the agencies as co-ordinated and as effective as possible, are the laws adequate to deal with the problem, and do the political leaders provide that necessary combination of steely resolve, calm reassurance and community outreach.
In this first tragic test, Turnbull has done well. Sadly, it is unlikely to be his last such test.
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Mark


Mark
"no one should attrib­ute guilt by association for this terrible act to the Muslim community" Yes we should and must if this is to stop.

Social psychology determines altruistic enforcers justification authorization and methodology of dealing with in-out group boundaries driven by "categorisation engines" are determined by cultures construct of Other not the 'few' the culture creates. If the Muslim culture is not responsible and culpable for this terror who is?  Unless this is the number one fact we all realise is a truth the bloodied bodies in our streets will keep coming as they continue elsewhere.
Mark


Mark
"In this first tragic test, Turnbull has done well. Sadly, it is unlikely to be his last such test." Which means?
Vivienne


Vivienne
Turnbull is not looking out for Australians welfare. rather how many votes he thinks he will get at the next election. Australia is on a slippery slope and Turnbull just greased it

MikeT (WA)


MikeT (WA)
So when someone is killed by a radical muslim I suppose their last thoughts will be that they hope Mr Turnbull will unite Australia with his thoughtful thinking
Steven


Steven
Listening to the ABC 7.30 Report tonight talks about this 'young boy'.......what description next...... A toddler . C'mon people as soon as he pulled the trigger he become an Adult making big Adult decisions........don't be delusional.........he is no 'Boy'
Margaret


Margaret
Dear Mr Sheridan,
I truly cannot bear to read your article past your reference to "The essence of Turnbull's wisdom here has been balance".
Have you joined the PC Team Turnbull?
It's of considerable concern.
May God save Australia.


Kelvin


Kelvin
@Margaret well at least give Team Turnbull a few months, Team Abbott turned out to be a dismal failure. May I suggest you stick to the propaganda espoused by Andrew Bolt & Miranda Devine, much more comforting.
John


John
Nice condescending acknowledgement Greg to support Malcolm after your over-zealous loyalty to US and Abbott.  You may now get an interview before Andrew B & Alan J et al.  Be careful you do not become the replacement for Gerard Henderson.
Helen


Helen
The first step must be to review and alter The Policy of Multiculturalism,
Under The Policy of Multiculturalism, Muslims by law, are never required to assimilate/ integrate/ become a part of mainstream Australia and can remain in an "outside" position and continue their "us" ( poor victimised Muslims position) and " them" ( horrible people of Australia with western values who won't even let us have Sharia Law).
The Policy of Multiculturalism SETS up this divide scenario!
Until we remove the Policy of Multiculturalism which has NOTHING to do with cultural diversity which we had in the past and which was INCLUSIVE of everyone and replace the current Policy with one that AGAIN establishes that all Australian citizens must integrate and accept only Australian Law, nothing will change with Muslims in this country and they will keep playing us while the Government and security agencies let them so as to not OFFEND them.
Our signing up to the UN 2030 Agreement ( which comes into effect next year) will even further strengthen their rights for Sharia Law in this country .... so if we can AT LEAST have a new Migration Policy that establishes integration we can have some sort of a counter balance to the UN Laws that this new Government is so obscenely eager to sign us up for.


Elizabeth


Elizabeth
@Helen  Very good point, Helen. Multiculturalism seems to have failed in whatever country has been silly enough to introduce it. Muslims come here of choice, no one forced them, they are welcomed into the community, then some of them set about killing citizens of this country which has given them succour. To my mind, unless so-called moderate Muslims start to speak out against the behaviour of some, they should all be deported out of the country. I am very tired of politicians in a way blaming the wider Australian community for the behaviour of some Muslims when they say things like they are alienated in the community. They have their own community and they have every advantage here, so I think politicians who pursue this line are way out of line.


Edi


Edi
There is no such thing as moderate Islam Elizabeth, by its very nature it is an extreme philosophy. The fact that some of us are prepared to give control of our lives to a religion that has no place in the 21st century means that we are happy to conform with an extreme concept, to a greater or lesser extent, it is still extreme.
Patricia


Patricia
The latest Morgan is out.

Morgan is notorious for being pro-Labor.

54/46 2PP for Turnbull.

That is a sixteen point turnaround.

Abbott and his hardy band extreme right wingers can now wander for forty days and forty nights in the political desert.

Done and dusted?


Charmaine


Charmaine
@Patricia. Rudd got up to 70 something % at one stage. Too early to crow Pat


Felicity


Felicity
@Charmaine Char, I don't think you should call Patricia "Pat".  Obviously Patricia is her preferred name and it is disrespectful to shorten it.  I was just disrespectful to you as an example.


bruce


bruce
@Patricia  Excellent. Confirms Abbotts pre-polling figures in Canning W.A. then. Agreed?


Patricia


Patricia
@bruce @Patricia  Um... like for like is national 2PP polling. It was running at 54/46 against the Liberals during the Canning election.

Mr Abbott always was a bit innumerate.


VICKI


VICKI
@patricia lol - lucky David Cameron didn't take notice of those polls that told him he and his Government were about to be decimated and crucified and kicked to the curb. A landslide WIN was actually the order of the day. People aren't fools and just because the LEFTY media wanted (and got) Turnbull it does NOT mean it's what the REAL voters want or will vote for.
Elizabeth


Elizabeth
@Patricia @bruce  Does your rubbish ever end? Internal Liberal polling in Canning was showing they would win by about 7% before Turncoat Turnbull got into the act, and that is precisely what happened. Just goes to show, anyone who trusts polls in not very with it.
lindsay


lindsay
@Patricia  Guess that shows how dumb the electorate is, controlled by left wing shock jocks on ABC- no new policies, big swing. Don't care if he wins or loses, only care if he has my vote, he won't.


Patricia


Patricia
@lindsay @Patricia  There are no left wing shock jocks, I believe. Beyond that, once you start telling Australians that they are dumb, you are finished.


Greg


Greg
@Patricia @lindsay  abbott and his hardy band extreme right wingers can now wander for forty days and forty nights in the political desert.

That says that you consider at least some of Autralians as struggling cognitively, the identifying characteristic being they don't agree with you.

Why do you assume that opposition to Turnbull is merely a symptom of "extreme right wingers"
Helen


Helen
@ Patricia... You say Polls, Morgan or otherwise...... I say UK elections where the polls showed a landslide win to Labour Party when in fact it was a landslide win for Cameron's Party.
I for one, am fed up with the musings of 1500 people which is the sample size of all polls, ruling our lives.
Elizabeth


Elizabeth
@Patricia  Not quite. Turnbull Turncoat will falter before much longer, just as he did when opposition leader and was kicked out and replaced with Abbott.
Peter C


Peter C
@Patricia I expected Tony Abbott to win the next election despite 97% of the media attacking him.

I have doubts waffles Turnbull will  win the next election despite 97% of the media working hard for him
Michael


Michael
@Patricia How childish Patricia.  It is an 8 point turn around.  Menzies Liberals, the most successful party since 1950, and probably since federation, have been 
Michael


Michael
@Patricia Childish nonsense, Patricia.  It is an 8% turn around and it should be more.  Menzies Liberals have been inclusive of all conservative views and believe our Judeo-Christian heritage has stood us in good stead, and is worth fighting for.   Mostly for this reason the Liberals have been the most successful party since the war.
Kelvin


Kelvin
@Patricia quit with the facts Patricia, the loony right just start shouting "pink batts" or "overpriced school halls" when confronted with reality.


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Matthew


Matthew
@Marco Have a look at any minority religion in almost any Muslims country - this is not a benign religion and the political elements of Islam can't be separated from the spiritual. 

How many terrorist acts, wars, oppressive regimes would it take for this irrelevant 'diversity' to be washed away and the underlying tyranny? What sort of diversity? Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are diverse, but minorities consistently and regularly has the human rights, and often their lives, extinguished. Egypt and Nigeria are the Coptic Christians happy to be oppressed and Nigerian Christians to be bombed - oh but think of the diversity. 

However, you raise a good point. No matter how diverse, no matter how pious or perfunctory Islam is there is one common theme, the oppression of human rights of non-Muslims and Muslims alike. 

Given such diversity and such abuse, it really doesn't bode well for reform.       


brett


brett
What responsibility do the young killers parents take for this? Or is it just a shrug of the shoulders and inshallah? I am a parent of a 14 year old. I know what he is doing, I take an interest. I monitor his phone and computer use. When there are problems I talk about it even if it is hard. If I thought he wasn't turning up at school and going elsewhere I would do something about it - directly. I don't put my head in the sand. These killings are all linked to the same religion - a religion that just doesn't seem to care enough about the killing of innocent Australians to really make a fuss about it. It is all go quietly quietly. I am so sad for the victims family.


Gabe


Gabe
@brett It's a much bigger problem than the parents.
The whole Muslim community needs to refute and accept ownership of what is, ultimately, a problem with Islamic fundamentalism.
Charmaine


Charmaine
I don't agree Greg. The obsequiousness to the Muslim community & rushing to commiserate with the murderer's family first, has just alienated a large swathe of Australians. Turnbull is about as tough as a wet noodle. There has to be consequences for this sort of behaviour beyond appeasing comments .


Patricia


Patricia

There has been a consequence. The lad is dead.


Margo


Margo
@Patricia @Charmaine But those who trained and chose him to test the waters with a new PM are still very much there  - he was expendable. At least try to apply some reasoned thought and logic.



5 Oct SIMON KING: Protesters ignore!!!

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Sydney shooting: Protesters ignore murder to stay on message

A speaker addresses the Lakemba crowd of about 100 who demanded an end to all military intervention in Syria.
Leaders of Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia at a rally today calling for the end of US and Russian action in Syria have refused to condemn the action of 15-year-old gunman Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad, who shot NSW Police Force worker Curtis Cheng.
Meeting at Lakemba Station in Sydney’s west, about 100 protesters called for an end to all intervention in Syria but repeatedly ignored questions about the murder in Parramatta on Friday.
“All questions about Friday will be disregarded,” Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureih said.
When pressed by The Aus­tralian about the actions of the teenager and the timing of the rally, Mr Doureih said: “Is that a serious question? There’s obviously nothing more to be said.”
Also speaking to the crowd was Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia spiritual leader Sheik Ismail al-Wahwah, also known as Abu Anas.
When asked about what happened on Friday he replied: “Why Friday — what about Saturday, Sunday?”
Asked if he and his organisation condemned violence, he replied: “That’s why we are here — we see everything, we have two eyes not one eye ... you want us to see with just one eye, Allah created us with two eyes — we can see the big crimes and the small crimes.”
Mr Doureih said the protest was to “expose the duplicity of the actions of Western states including the Australian government”.
“After four years and countless hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, they’ve only now decided to politically intervene,” Mr Doureihi said
“This will not serve the interests of the people of Syria, this will in fact increase the calamities put on them and will introduce more civilian casualties.
“This will only support the brutal butcher of Syria, (Bashar al-) Assad, by providing him political cover that he does not deserve.”
He said there should be no intervention by any forces.
“Leave it to the will of the ­people — the people will undertake the actions necessary to rescue their own affairs,” he said.
Speaker and Hizb ut-Tahrir media officer Hamzah Qureshi said the organisation would “stand with the Muslims of Syria” and keep fighting towards an inevitable victory.
“We have been promised victory, as have our brothers in Syria and all around the Muslim world,” he said.
“You will absolutely not be disappointed when the Lord of the Heaven and the Earth, the absolute creator of Syria (and) of the people who defended it promises you victory.
“And we will work day and night without end for a change in this world which will see justice beyond the level of injustice that we see ... The day is not far, brothers, sisters, the day is not far where we will witness a world where our children and our grandchildren we will once again see the light of Islam as the world saw for centuries before.”

5 oct Terror shooting: Families are ‘front line

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Terror shooting: Families are ‘front line of defence’

As the Turnbull government seeks to recast relations with the Islamic community, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has declared that Muslim families are the nation’s first line of defence against radicalisation of young people.
Malcolm Turnbull is taking a more co-operative and inclusive approach after warnings from sec­urity agencies that relations with the community had sunk to their lowest ebb.
Security specialists and community leaders warned that the blunt and divisive language used by former prime minister Tony Abbott had alienated many in the Islamic community and made it harder to win their trust to help combat radicalisation.
The Australian was told yesterday the new Prime Minister’s comments on the terrorist threat were “more subtle and more in keeping with where the security agencies would like the Prime Minister to come from.”
Ms Bishop said it was time for the country to take stock after the murder of a police employee, Curtis Cheng, by a radicalised teen.
“It’s tragic for the family of the police worker, for the community and for Australia as a whole when a 15-year-old boy can be so radicalised that he can carry out a politically motivated killing or an act of terrorism, then it’s a time for the whole nation to take stock,” Ms Bishop told the ABC’s Insiders program.
“I can’t go into the details of the ongoing investigation but it really does highlight the challenge that we have before us.”
One of Australia’s most respected community leaders, Jamal Rifi, strongly backed Ms Bishop’s view. “The horrible attack in Parra­matta is a cold-blooded murder with no justification or excuses,” he said in a statement.
“We need to work collaboratively tackling radicalisation among the youth with federal and state governments as well as federal and state agencies,” he said.
Parents were well positioned to notice the early signs of radicalis­ation, Dr Rifi said. “As the Australian father of the year, I urge all parents, in particular fathers in the Australian Muslim communities, to initiate a dialogue with their kids, teenage sons and daughters, and to be alert for any changes in their behaviour and to seek help, the earlier the better.”
Seeking help early would prevent their sons and daughters from getting into trouble with the law.
“It is for their own safety and peace of mind. Please talk to your kids, please seek help early — doing so does not mean you are getting them into trouble. It is the opposite.
“It means you are preventing them from getting in trouble and you might be saving their lives and others lives,” Dr Rifi said.
Asked if there’d been a change in the government’s tone in reaching out to the Muslim community, Ms Bishop pointed to the discussion involving Mr Turnbull, NSW Premier Mike Baird, the Australian Federal Police, NSW police and leaders in the Muslim ­community.
“This kind of issue must be the subject of a holistic approach not only from governments at all levels but also the community,” Ms Bishop said. “We’re certainly reaching out to the leaders of the Muslim community but working with the families at a grassroots local level. It’s the families that will be our frontline of defence against radicalised young people.”

oct 5 ...Bishop on Syria:

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Bishop on Syria: political solution only way now

Russia’s intervention in Syria means military force will no longer end the bloody conflict there and a political solution must be found, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says.
Ms Bishop criticised Russia for airstrikes targeting pro-Western rebels as well as the Islamic State terror group in a strategy that ­appears designed to save the ­regime of Bashar al-Assad, which is near-collapse.
The growing scale and complexity of the Middle-East conflict is quickly becoming clear, with Iran sending hundreds of soldiers to Syria to recapture territory from anti-Assad rebel groups.
These are combat troops rather than advisers and they will be backed by Russian airstrikes.
The authoritative US Institute for the Study of War says this is more evidence of a closer alliance between Russia and Iran designed to save Assad rather than destroy Islamic State.
Ms Bishop told the ABC’s Insiders program yesterday Russia’s intervention had complicated the conflict and changed the dynamics quite significantly. Conceding Russia’s motivations “aren’t always transparent”, Ms Bishop, home after a week of high-level talks at the UN in New York, said Moscow’s actions speak louder than its rhetoric.
Russia launched its first airstrikes in Syria last week and Ms Bishop has called for Iran to be involved in talks to end the war.
“Russia’s intervention has complicated the matter and changed the dynamics quite significantly,” she said.
Russia claims it is targeting IS but Ms Bishop said it remained to be seen what else it was doing.
“The path to peace is going to be complicated, but it’s even more necessary than ever before to stop the conflict, to stop the bloodshed, to prevent the displacement of millions of people and, of course, the deaths of hundreds of thousands since this conflict began in 2011,” Ms Bishop said. “So the focus must be on a political solution, because a military solution is now so complex and is not going to be the answer to stopping this bloody conflict.”
Because Russia was not co-­ordinating its airstrikes with the US-led coalition, Ms Bishop said there was the “potential for miscalculation” although there were talks at the highest level to ensure this did not happen.
Ms Bishop wants to reinvigorate a similar process to the Geneva diplomatic forums of 2011-12.
“Countries including Egypt and Jordan are now starting to say there needs to be a transition phase from Assad, whereas previously the view was that any precondition to peace discussions had to be the removal of Assad,” she said.
Ms Bishop did not believe Assad would be around for the longer term but in the meantime his “heinous” regime would have to be accommodated in some way.
“The reality is, Assad is there,” she said. “We have to keep Syria intact. Someone has to be in control of the military. Someone has to be in control of Damascus, the capital. And so the transition would obviously go from Assad to another leader, but there’s no ­obvious takers for that role.”
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oct 5....family of victim Curtis Cheng

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Terror shooting: Tragic passing, says family of victim Curtis Cheng

Curtis Cheng with wife Selina and children Zilvia and Alpha.
The family of slain NSW police ­accountant Curtis Cheng have expressed their heartbreak at the “tragic passing of our most loved husband and father”.
Mr Cheng, 58, was shot at close range by 15 year-old gunman Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on Friday evening outside police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney’s west, where he had worked for 17 years.
“(He) was a kind, gentle, and loving person. He was humorous, generous of heart and always put the family first. He has set a tremendous example for us as a family,” his wife, Selina Cheng, and children Alpha and Zilvia said in a statement.
“We are deeply saddened and heartbroken that he has been taken from us, but we are truly grateful for the fruitful and happy life he has shared with us.”
The family said they had been “extremely moved” by the thoughts and condolences that had flooded in since the incident police have linked to terrorism.
“We are touched by the personal visit from the NSW Premier (Mike Baird) and the Police Commissioner (Andrew Scipione),” they said. “This was a comforting reminder of the warm regard that was held for him, especially by the NSW police community.
“He will be missed by all of us. We will cherish our memory of him forever.”
Jabar, who had been dressed in a loose-fitting black robe, was shot dead by officers shortly after the fatal attack on Mr Cheng.

oct 5 op ed ///Lone-wolf terror attacks require eternal vig

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Lone-wolf terror attacks require eternal vigilance


 ''A HOLISTIC APPROACH IS NEEDED TO CURB YOUTH RADICALIZATION''

THIS ABSURD LINE WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER - BUT NEEDED TO BE HERE ADDED BY ME [GS]  TO THE ON -  LINE VERSION!! 
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Before David Irvine retired as director-general of ASIO a year ago, he repeatedly warned of the threat posed by “lone-wolf” terror attacks on Australian soil. These extremists often fly under the radar of security agencies, evading detection. So frightening is the prospect that one of these radicals could slip through the net of security agencies and inflict an act of terror on an unsuspecting, perhaps complacent, public that it kept the former security chief “awake at night”. While Australians are fighting extremist terrorism abroad — in Iraq and Syria — we also need to remain ever-vigilant about the threat of terrorism at home. After the shocking, cold-blooded murder of police employee Curtis Cheng by radicalised 15-year-old boy Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar in Sydney’s Parramatta on Friday, Mr Irvine’s nightmares have again been realised. This is not the first time Australians have been murdered or injured by lone-wolf radical extremists. Nor, regrettably, will it likely be the last.
The shooting outside police headquarters in Parramatta in broad daylight on Friday afternoon was described by NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione as “politically motivated and therefore linked to terrorism”. This is not a time for hand-wringing denialism. The terror threat we face from within has again come to the fore. The youth, dressed in black, is believed to have attended a mosque to pray before killing Mr Cheng. After his act of pure premeditated evil, the boy was seen waving his gun in the air while yelling “Allah, Allah”. Halting the rising tide of radicalised youth was “the global question at the moment”, Commissioner Scipione said. While details about the youth are still being sought, it has been suggested he was part of a group that was already known to police. Moreover, it is believed the youth is part of a family known to police and security authorities. His sister has apparently disappeared, leaving Australia on a flight bound for Istanbul with her belongings.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull struck the right tone in his public remarks over the weekend. He began by speaking on behalf of the vast majority of Australians in saying that “our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Curtis Cheng” and then praised the “courage of our police and security agencies” for their dedication to our safety. In a change of tone urged by security agencies, as we reported last week, Mr Turnbull said “the Muslim community are our absolutely necessary partners in combating this type of violent extremism”. This is the right approach. “Efforts to blame or vilify the Muslim community are utterly counterproductive,” he said. Labor leader Bill Shorten echoed Mr Turnbull’s words of comfort to the family and friends of Mr Cheng, praised the police response and urged unity throughout the community. But he erred when he said “our thoughts are also with the family of the alleged young perpetrator”. This is not a sentiment that will be shared by many Australians at this time. It was a regrettable lapse in judgment.
We have confidence in our security and policing agencies. Their job is an unenviable one. We should be thankful they have foiled planned terror plots, including last Anzac Day. It would be wise, nevertheless, to again review the strategies and practices in place and consider if changes are needed to strengthen their hand in this ongoing fight.
It is also a community challenge. We cannot afford to be complacent. Previous acts of terror by Man Haron Monis in Sydney and Abdul Numan Haider in Melbourne underscore this stark reality. Yesterday, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said it was time for “the whole nation to take stock” after the tragic shooting. “This kind of issue must be the subject of a holistic approach, not only from governments at all levels, but also the community,” she said. This is a sound approach. Middle Eastern community leader Jamal Rifi highlighted the need yesterday for Muslim parents to “initiate a dialogue” with their children and to “be alert for any changes in behaviour”. This could help save their children’s lives and other lives, too. “Every and each one of us have a role and responsibility,” he urged. We agree.
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Chris

Chris
Harden up Australia. Make heroes of the survivors and responders, prepare and strike back with toughness and preparation. Build a resilient Australia.

This handwringing over offending idiot welfare parasites is silly; if they work, let them eat. If they do good, may good come to them.

And whenever some half-insane extremist starts killing people out of frustration at their insignificance and uselessness, it isn't rocket science. Shoot them, hose the mess off the road and move on.

The media could play a part, but they are determined to act as force multipliers for terrorists.  Let them, social media has eroded their power to help much anyway.
Sakun

Sakun
The State under Turnbull seems to be switching sides and throwing its weight behind perhaps the most important sharia law of all - sharia blasphemy law - under the guise of hate speech laws justified as promoting social cohesion, cultural harmony and, even more sinister, to prevent terrorism (the terrorists’ free speech veto). Once a Government accepts that offending Muslims by discussing terrorism and the sharia law mandate to it (Quran 8:12; 8:39; 8:60; 9:05; 9:29; 47:4 and 9:111 – the doctrine of jihad or Islamism) and sharia law in general (and how these are hostile to, and incompatible with Australian laws and values) is offensive to Muslims and risks terrorism, then the State has the perfect excuse to ban all speech about it making the rapid spread of sharia law and jihad inevitable.
Of course the Government and all Australians should reach out to Muslims who should not be harmed, unfairly discriminated against, harassed or improperly stereotyped. That is a given in Australian society.
But the question is: which Muslims should the Government spend its enormous resources to support and whose message should it amplify? In the US and UK, and Australia to date, anti-terrorism programs have failed dismally because they have tried to reach out to the mass of Muslims instead of using experts to assess who the genuinely reformist Muslims are (those that openly acknowledge the sharia law mandate towards violent jihad and terrorism, and subversion, to establish a global caliphate where all the world is subjugated to sharia law and then openly renounce it and sharia law) and supporting and amplifying only their message.
Instead it seems the Turnbull doctrine of appeasement will follow the failed strategy of blaming the West (by tacitly supporting this message as propagated daily by the ABC and SBS), supressing free expression (by retaining and employing such as s18C), denying the doctrine of jihad (by not mentioning sharia law or jihad) and supporting those practising religious deception (by outreach to major Mosques instead of small community groups) who are secretly either Islamist sympathisers or actual Islamists employing subversion. 
Thomas

Thomas
Behind every youthful terrorist are ideas devised and propagated by fanatical adults preaching exclusivity, hate and intolerance.

Tracy

Tracy
Agree Thomas. Start with the parents. With a sister on her way to Syria, how the parents have missed this? Or what values did these kids grow up with at home? When refugees come to Australia to seek asylum, they are expected to appreciate the safe haven their new country offers. If they do not accept what Australia stands for, they should leave. Parents should also be held to account and if found too have contributed to the radicalisation of their children they should also lose the right to remain.
John

John
 "Teen killer turned at city mosque." This is like saying that those who joined the AIF in 1914 were radicalised. These so called jihadists are not radicalised. They are following the dictates of what they have had drummed into them from their earliest age. The denial by the authorities of the root cause of the problem is an affront to the truth, the failure of the system because of political correctness, intellectual dishonesty and a huge danger to the population at large. I live in Malaysia. My wife is a Muslim. I see on a daily basis what underlies the Islamic system. How many Australians have read the Shariah Law. Certainly those in power have not. To deny any part of this law, if you are Muslim, is to make you an apostate. Every Muslim believes that Shariah Law overides all other law. That teenager in Sydney is at this moment is being lauded as a martyr, in spite of what is being said officially. John Keough
Peter

Peter
Contrast this political nonsense with the reality of Egas's article. If a community is shaped by shared values, beliefs, cultural and religious histories then it is the community that we should be looking to share some of the blame - they allow within themselves a cultural and religious system that actively discourages integration and involvement in the wider Australian community and is intolerant, supremist and openly antagonistic to Western values.
I understand that we need to involve the Muslim world in finding a solution to this, but we are ill-served when we cannot even acknowledge that part of that solution relies on us honestly talking about what Islam teaches.
This paper should be ashamed.
Ross

Ross
And meanwhile our immigration policy is determined by political correctness above our national interest.
Christian

Christian
What we need is a change in immigration policy whereby we only admit immigrants of Christian background. What we are seeing now was destined to happen as has happened in England and America before us. The Australian Government needs to take a far more aggressive stance by putting our internal security forces on a war like footing to counter the build-up of resentment in our community towards the Christian majority and authority. Incidents of the kind we have just witnessed will become more common and more deadly. Muslims who preach extremism must be promptly removed from Australia without recourse to court appeals blocking their extradition.

Terryd

Terryd
@Christian While I agree with you Christian regarding curbing Muslim immigration, I agree with Dr Rifi who is one of the better leaders in the Muslim community that there needs to be community-based groups comprising good Muslim role modesl that parents can refer thier kids to when they have concerns about them becoming radicalised.

Linda

Linda
Perhaps Muslim parents could also let the rest of us know exactly what is at the root of the grievances of their young people which seems to make them so prone to murderous influences, and where they think those influences are coming from.
I think that we deserve some proper explanation along with demands for more and more money and resources to counter what we don't really understand.

john

john
Linda, Henry Ergas understands. And he has written a splendid article for this publication,
It should be required reading for all our "leaders" especially Malcolm Chamberlin.
I urge you to take a look

Linda

Linda
@john  john - I was looking for an explanation from  Muslims, but yes I have read Henry's article which is excellent, but again we are the ones trying to make sense out of this without any input from those who might actually have the answers. 

Joseph

Joseph
Our journalists love talking about "holistic approaches" and "strategies" to prevent radicalisation, but they deliberately avoid mentioning the single measure that would be most effective in lowering the risk of terrorism.

Stop inviting into our country the very people who are most likely to commit terrorism.

It's not that hard.
Mal

Mal
Under the forthcoming 1.5 billion defence announcement  "...the Hawkei patrol vehicles will be built at defence contractor Thales Australia's plant in Bendigo..." Put these together then, Parramatta, Mosque, radical, Bendigo protests.... We need to be mindful if not vigilant.

john

john
Mal, I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Given not even a single "like" I don't think anyone else does either.
Would you care to give it another go?
What you have to say may be important
Bryan

Bryan
At least even Labor isn't trying to hoodwink us re the "religion of peace" anymore.

mary

mary
Jamal Rifi asserts, presumably in the prevention of the radicalisation of Muslim yout, that 'every and each one of us have a role and responsibility'. Sorry Dr Rifi, I have neither any further role or responsibility in the radicalisation of Muslim youth or any other Muslim group for that matter. My role and responsibility began and ended with the tolerance and acceptance I have exercised and continue to exercise. Now, let's talk about the Muslim community. We are each responsible for our own behaviour and, by extension and with some qualification, for the group to which we belong or to which we aspire to belong. Every time an incident occurs, such as the latest assassination we get the same tired old platitudes.

Lan

Lan
@mary Yes.  Dr Rifi, where is "self-responsibility" in this?  Don't ask more funding to defy radicalisation.
lindsay

lindsay
Lefties believe TA overstated the threat, some even thought that he and others would be pleased to see a terrorism act in Australia- would be good for politics. This was always nonsense.
To express concern for the parents of the killer without knowing all of the facts , including his sister's whereabouts, was playing to the PC crowd.
We have a serious problem and we need to deal with this as a nation. I know the Team Australia term has been vilified- it is time for a comeback.


Peter

Peter
Close the door on your way out! The self appointed captain has been sacked!

Thomas

Thomas
"Self appointed"? I seem to recall that Mr Abbott was indeed the leader of the Coalition that won the last general election very handsomely unless you have rewritten history, Peter. He may have made calls you do not agree with but he was not self appointed.

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I see no reason why we need sheiks, extremists or terrorists, or why we can’t export them to the holy caliphate free of charge (“Turnbull text ‘a good impression’ ’’, 3-4/10).
Tim Saclier, Leopold, Vic
There is only one possible deterrent to radicalised minors who come to believe in murder. Their parents should be charged with neglect and perhaps as accessories to their crime.
Robert Richardson, Yass, NSW
Congratulations to Sarah Dolan of Deakin University, quoted as saying “As a university we are committed to the fair and open exchange of ideas” (“Extremist Muslims to hold workshops’’, 3-4/10). Can we look forward this week to Deakin announcing the opening of the Bjorn Lomborg centre?
Mike O’Brian, Mandurah, WA
If Bjorn Lomborg were an extremist Muslim, he might stand a better chance of having his opinions aired at an Australian university.
Joanna Hackett, Macleay Island, Qld
Why can’t we just go back to goodies and baddies and sort out the confusion in Syria (“Obama left flat-footed and red-faced’’, 3-4/10)? How can you be part of the axis of evil one day, and not the next?
David Hall, Labrador, Qld
Eight of Iran’s national women’s football team are men awaiting a sex change. Good luck Barack Obama in enforcing the nuclear agreement with Iran.
George Fishman, Vaucluse, NSW
I am tired of people denigrating Tony Abbott for not having the same level of fluency as Malcolm Turnbull. When one’s back is to the wall it’s not words that count but the calibre of the man fighting next to you.
Zillah Williams, Canberra, ACT

5 oct letters ..Koranic doctrine does not allow for apologies

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Koranic doctrine does not allow for apologies

Muslim leaders in the West never apologise because they can’t. To do so would acknowledge Islam is capable of error. That is unthinkable according to their beliefs, based on a revelation from God as found in the Koran.
How long will it be before this sinks into the minds of our leaders?
Sooner or later we have to fight or through appeasement, live in a Muslim hell. Unless, of course, people find the courage to call for a debate on the claims of Islam. But those who claim to govern us won’t allow that.
So we’ll wake up one day and find we have been subjugated by the greatest con in history.
Phillip Turnbull, Cornelian Bay, Tas
I should have realised that pointing out that Islam is not a peaceful religion but a belligerent, brutal totalitarian ideology bent on conquest or conversion which teaches children ­violence against kaffirs from infancy would have caused this 15-year-old boy to visit the Parramatta mosque before shooting another Australian.
All my fault. Sorry. Nothing to do with Islam.
John Bolton, Adelaide, SA
In your article (“PM to reset terror pitch to Muslims”, 2/10) it is written: “Mr Turnbull will adopt a new, more inclusive tone in dealing with the ­Islamic community”.
Having enjoyed several decades of security, self-determination and a healthy sense of national identity, what sort of nervous and culturally contorted Australia have we created?
Fearful of homegrown terrorists, the PM feels compelled to kowtow to one particular religious group. How, why, did we let this happen here?
Mark Dyer, Rockingham Beach, WA
Malcolm Turnbull may want a more touchy-feely dialogue with the Muslim community than his predecessor.
Having just watched another Australian murdered on Sydney streets by an Islamic terrorist, I don’t.
My next vote goes to whichever party states that Islamic immigration has been a disaster in every single country, including this one and requires absolute restriction before Australia ends up in the same mess Europe now finds itself. Nobody can say they didn’t see this coming.
Daniel Lewis, Rushcutters Bay, NSW
What a refreshing change to hear Turnbull and Mike Baird not seeking mileage from Friday’s act of terrorism. They chose not to act in the way our previous PM would have done, instead choosing to calm the water.
D.J. Fraser, Mudgeeraba, Qld
I was brought up to believe that when you are invited into someone’s home, you treat it with respect and do not try to force your opinion on your hosts.
Australia has offered Muslims comfort, safety and a way of life they would never have had if they stayed where they were.
They should be grateful and happy.
Rod Fountain, Erina, NSW
Your editorial (“Resetting relations with Australia’s Muslims’’, 3-4/10) seemed balanced to me, apart from referring to those objecting to a mosque in Bendigo as a bigoted mob.
It is relevant that you have no need to editorialise about the need to reset relations with Hindus or Buddhists.
Muslim communities are responsible for the way in which they are perceived and treated. They need to embrace Australian values, such as the primacy of parliamentary law over religious law.
I haven’t heard Jamal Rifi say that the Muslims he represents accepts those values without equivocation; for example, that Australian law trumps sharia law in all non-ecclesiastical matters.
Peter Smith, Cremorne, NSW
While pleased with official recognition of a major Islamic feast day (“Turnbull text a ‘good impression’ ”, 3-4/10), sheik Mohammad Omran informed us that we “need” Muslims and we “can’t get rid of them anyhow” and so need to work with them.
The sheik also said that he had been feeling like a foreigner in his own country. I know how he feels.
David Poignand, Hackett, ACT
Tony Abbott gave millions of dollars to help in the deradicalisation of young Muslim men. Let’s hope something good comes from that gesture, but this process must start at home and at school. This rebuilding of relations must also include Muslim leaders, because they are essential to the success of this program.
Lesley Beckhouse, Queanbeyan, NSW

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Trepidation talking terror as Libs learn to love new regime

Parramatta shootings. Fran Kelly, Insiders, ABC television, yesterday:
It didn’t immediately take on a terrorist tinge, this story, the way it was reported and it got a bit lost in the whole grand final cycle, but it remains an enigma.
Not helped by reporting such as this. ABC News website, Friday:
The ABC understands the incident is not terror-related.
Even a ratbag like Bob Ellis could call it for what it was. Blog, Saturday:
A genuine terrorist attack.
Why not call the perpetrator “bro”? Fairfax’s Mark Kenny describes the gunman, also on Insiders:
This dude.
Better late than never. Greens leader Richard Di Natale releases a statement on Friday afternoon’s shooting at:
2pm Sunday.
Human rights. Julie Bishop, media release, Wednesday:
Australia is ... a candidate for the (UN) Human Rights Council for the term 2018-20.
Human rights — up to a point. The Times, Saturday:
Saudi Arabia has used its position on the United Nations Human Rights Council to block an international inquiry into the conflict in Yemen, where Saudi airstrikes have been blamed for killing civilians.
Mind you ... Warren Mundine, The Bolt Report, Channel 10, yesterday:
It would be great to have a country that actually has human rights there.
The king is dead. Peter O’Brien, Quadrant Online, Saturday:
Our new Prime Minister, while no conservative, might just be able to deny The Lodge to Bill Shorten. True, that prospect is small and bitter consolation, but what the usurper’s detractors need to remember is that Abbott’s conservatism was more often alleged than observed.
Long live the king. Michael Kroger on the reaction of the Liberal faithful, also onBolt:
We’ve had people resign. We’ve had twice as many join, I might add, in Victoria.
I will follow. Bono, United Nations Private Sector Forum, September 26:
I’m late to realising that it’s you guys, it’s the private sector, it’s commerce that’s going to take the majority of people out of extreme poverty and, as an activist, I almost found that hard to say.
The state of debate. David Harsanyi, Reason magazine blogs, Saturday:
Conservatives may be ethically compromised, uninformed or — if liberals are in a generous mood — mentally unstable, but they can’t be for real. At least, that’s the sense I increasingly get from the Left these days. Blame it on social media. When a group confuses its politics with moral doctrine, it may have trouble comprehending how a decent human could disagree with its positions. This is probably why people confuse lecturing with debating. What conservatives (and some libertarians) possess are not arguments but corrupt and nefarious ambitions … What you can’t possibly have are legitimate differences of opinion.
The Age tackles the big issues. May 31, 2014:
Make your bed if you want to change the world.
One of these days it might even work out a consistent line on them. From Friday:
Why you should never make your bed.

5 oct Jen Oriel Big lies as the UN suppresses truth

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Big lies as the UN suppresses truth with ideology

In his first month as Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull’s most decisive actions have been in cultural and international relations. His government has signed Australia up to the UN’s 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, announced a bid for membership of the Security Council and declared candidacy for a seat on the Human Rights Council.
The multilateral moves have taken a nation accustomed to Tony Abbott’s more hawkish foreign policy by surprise. While the renewal of soft power relations with the UN may be viewed favourably, Australia’s new era of cosmopolitanism should be tempered by political realism.
Even ardent advocates of the classical liberal ideals that inspired the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are beginning to recognise there is something rotten in the heart of the UN. Since the turn of the century, it has been beset by corruption and a culture of profligacy which would likely elicit strong criticism were the organisation a private enterprise. But it is the emerging culture of dishonesty at the UN which poses the greatest threat to its legitimacy as an independent and trustworthy arbiter of human rights and justice worldwide.
Dishonesty and double standards mark the rise of the UN in the realm of 21st-century human rights. In Australia, Europe, Canada and the US, human rights commissions have undermined evidentiary standards by supplanting empirical truth with emotionalism, campaigned against border integrity, criticised national security policy, engaged in judicial activism and sought to censor freethinkers. They have been unrelenting in the pursuit of a neo-Marxist social agenda that respects neither parliamentary process nor the views of citizens who pay their wages.
The most pressing problem with UN human rights advocates, however, is their use of dishonesty to achieve political ends. When ­attorney-general George Brandis rightly criticised Australian Hu­man Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs for fibbing about the presence of armed guards at immigrant processing centres, he was accused of violating her human rights.
Rather than correcting Triggs’s misrepresentation of the truth, the UN defended it.
Michel Forst, the UN special rapporteur on human rights defenders, asked the government to explain its actions while condemning its alleged violation of Triggs’s rights. The violation of truth was not raised as a matter of vital interest. While that may offend our moral sensibilities, it is consistent with UN values.
The UN has created a new value system where the truth is subordinated to human rights activism. For example, in the report Human Rights Defenders, it states that the “critical test” of a human rights defender is not to be correct — to base their case on objective and validated truth — but to pursue rights. Human rights have been transformed into a master ideology that transcends truth.
As history has shown, the supersession of objective truth with political ideology produces big lies. The big lie of the modern age is that secure-border policy produces more harm to humankind than it prevents. The UN is a powerful purveyor of the lie that effectively protects people-smugglers and frequently proves lethal to their human cargo.
In the organisation’s latest attack on Australia’s highly successful secure-border policy, UN migrant rights rapporteur Francois Crepeau whipped up a media storm on the false claim he was denied adequate access to immigration centres.
The leftist media reported Crepeau’s hysterical claims as though they constituted fact. Nowhere was his history of criticising conservative government policy reported. His recent attack describing defence of the continuous historical tradition of British culture as “bullshit” went unremarked. No one questioned his ability to conduct an impartial investigation into Australia’s immigration processing centres given he is one of only eight council members of the Global Detention Project, an activist group highly critical of such centres.
The Turnbull government passed its first test on border security by refusing to submit to Crepeau’s fantastical claims. But it faces an uphill battle to convince the electorate that deeper engagement with the UN is in the national interest and will produce return on investment.
The Syrian crisis has exposed the UN’s radical impotence in dealing with the major security threat of our age, Islamist terrorism. Its bloated bureaucracy is too dilatory to respond to the multi-ethnic civil wars that have emerged as the greatest global threat to human rights. Rather than realise the liberal universalist order out of such chaos, the UN appears beholden to its greatest detractors, communist and Islamist states.
Russia has emerged as the strongman of the UN in responding to the Syrian crisis and Islamist states now comprise the largest voting bloc at the UN General Assembly. The world’s worst human rights violators populate the Human Rights Council. The minority of UN members that constitute the liberal democratic world order which inspired its inception cannot compete with the sheer size and determination of authoritarian states to overwhelm it.
Turnbull has initiated a marathon of diplomacy by committing Australia to the UN until at least 2030, if our bid for Security Council membership is successful. We will undoubtedly hear more about how deeper engagement with the UN will form a part of Turnbull’s recast foreign policy strategy.
The easy route for the government would be to stage a UN love-in with the leftist media and ignore the warning signs about declining public trust in the liberal institutional order. But there is little point in denying that the free world’s relationship with the UN is rapidly approaching a tipping point where we must decide whether to dig in and deepen engagement, or declare it a lost cause and start anew.
The UN remains a vital part of the liberal international order, but it has abused public trust by elevating ideology over truth and defending the indefensible in a desperate bid to remain relevant. In its recasting of foreign affairs, the Turnbull government should embrace a critical and transformative approach to international relations, acknowledging the UN requires serious structural reform if it is to become a force for good in the 21st century.
Jennifer Oriel is a political scientist and commentator.
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Raewyn
Raewyn
Thank you for an excellent article Jennifer Oriel. I am however appalled at the lack of transparency on this 'done deal' from the new PM and Ms Bishop. If it was SO good you would imagine they would be signing it's praises, but instead we get obfuscation and oblique answers.On what authority did this government sign such an important agreement? The UN is a corrupt body who has outlived it's usefulness. Of the 193 signatory nations, 59 are Islamic and vote as a block. Surely this is of concern to western democratic nations whose human rights and freedoms are at odds with Islamic Sharia Law?Australia is still a 'representative democracy - not a totalitarian dictatorship' but the rights and opinions of the people who voted these elected officials into power are being ignored. Time to ask some hard questions!
Helen
Helen
In todays Australian (6/10) Media,
The Australian revealed this week that Britain and Saudi Arabia discussed a vote-trade to support each other’s election to the UNHRC ahead of the November 2013 elections, with Britain ignoring the nation’s human rights abuses.
The Australian can now also reveal that Saudi Arabia has successfully shut down an inquiry into its bombing of Yemen, using its influence on the UNHRC, which is comprised of 47 member states, not including Australia.
David
David
What an excellent article. The claims are backed up with facts, the only way to present a persuasive case. The problems that currently beset the UN are indicative of an organisation that has achieved all it can in its current guise and who's whose purpose is no longer relevant in the current global environment. The purpose of the UN is now outdated and no longer suitable in dealing with humanitarian issues in today's new and developing global order.
The UN has achieved all that it can under the direction of its current charter that was established soon after WW2. The world has changed so much and the UN must change in response to the current global environment. The UN should reassess its purpose, its membership base and structural organisation to best deal with the current humanitarian challenges in the current global environment.
petert
petert
Spot on Jennifer.  I personally think the UN is a lost cause and should be ignored or closed
Helen
Helen
May I say that as well as Jennifer's excellent article there has been a wealth of information gained from the commentators today. Thanks.
Anthony
Anthony
Isn't it the greatest irony & insult that Australia is criticized by the UN, made up largely of oppressive authoritarian regimes & theocracies? The hypocrisy of our UN / UNHCR  apologists (green/left) over here in Oz is breathtaking. 
Michael
Michael
@Anthony Agree Anthony - another organisation "captured" by political correctness and social manipulators. Just like soccer's FIFA but a larger and even more powerful organisation. 
Robert
Robert
All it needs to do to remain relevant is prevent some genocides and protect civilians in war zones.  It can't ever agree to actually do anything until it's too late.  It takes a diplomat's career lifetime to ratify agreements on, for example, fisheries. Total waste of space and money. 
Marilyn
Marilyn
It wasn't that long ago when a lot of people here were signaling their support for Ms Bishop as a future PM material. I rolled my eyes.  
Ted
Ted
The UN does remain a vital part of the international liberal order, what ever that may be, in its present form.
The silent majority does not approve of the UN, and it should require a plebiscite of the voters before ANY powers are ceded away
Ted
Ted
This sentence should read , does NOT remaina vital part of the international liberal order.
Roger
Roger
The most pertinent comment I have read here is that Mr Turnbull promised a "traditional Cabinet government". Clearly the decisions taken by Minister Bishop were unilateral. 
Nick
Nick
Newsflash. The Dutch Politician ;Geert Wilders, who was invited to the inauguration of the ALA Party on the 20th of October, is having his visa stonewalled by the Immigration Minister Peter Dutton. Obviously Turnbull 's Government is getting worried it might upset their Muslim voters!
Ted
Ted
Ah, but they do not cancel visas for radical muslim preachers, go figure
veronica
veronica
@Nick Of course, it does not matter about Australians.
God help! the jews in Germany now that they have let so many muslims in.
Nick
Nick
The UN has alway's been a tool for Social Engineering for the Left. They signed us up for all kinds of social manipulation and forced Australia be compliant to the engineering because otherwise Australia would be in breach with the UN. Very tricky. So it comes as no big surprise Turnbull and Bishop are going that way to. Ominous for our Australia!
Colin
Colin
I believe that the UN is probably THE most corrupt organisation on earth and needs urgent reform. Having said that I pose this question: Is it easier to reform from the inside or from the outside. Corruption begins at the centre, and so the closer you are to the centre, the better placed will be your shot at reform. We need to ally with open democratic countries to rid the UN of the influence of evil.
Charles (DCC)
Charles (DCC)
@Colin I worked for the UN HQ in Cyprus once. Boy, are you right. 
Peres De quellar was the head honcho. Made lots of money peddling his influence. 
Then he went on to head the organisation. QED.
Antonio
Antonio
Simple.
Firstly, Australia needs to get out of every single treaty we have been signed up to and quickly.
Secondly, drive a nail through the cheque book.

Antonio's Wife
Robyne
Robyne
Where is Nigel Farage. He is honest and brutal towards the members of the UN. He sees right through them and their actions, but when he challenges them, even in public, they will not defend themselves, as their position is indefensible. He is trying his hardest to get the British to get out of the EU and the UN  Hope he succeeds and then Australia might follow his lead. I hope Australia learns from this.
Robyne
Robyne
The UN reminds of the wealthy unions. They lie and the corruption is very similar. If Mr Turnbull throws money at the UN,most Australians will be disgusted.
Valerie
Valerie
Jennifer Oriel you have expressed so well what so many of us feel about human rights and the UN. Given a free vote I'm sure majority would vote to get out of every single treaty we have been signed up to.The UN have failed in every single undertaking, except to suck in too many politicians into signing them when clearly not at all objective. And third world members make n bone in telling us like they did John Howard in Brisbane not long back, they intend to punish their old colonial masters of which, Australia is one. 

Rita
Rita
I am ashamed for Australia that these fake "conservatives" Turnbull/Bishop are schmusing the UN who have long since become "Human Rights Violators Central Station". An originally admirable organisation who has been corrupted to a point where the appoint as head of "Human Rights" Saudi Arabia ! 
Shame on you Julie Bishop - especially - as you are a woman. 
Valerie
Valerie
@Rita Makes me feel better that we have people like Jennifer as role models. Along with others,  like Miranda and Janet who speak common sense angle on all matters  truthfully, without the "dressing up" IE porkies the UN puts on stealing our sovereignty as its ultimate endgame. Bob Brown let it out in his final retirement speech.
Ted
Ted
Good coment Rita, about Saudi Arabia and like you I am rapidly becoming disenchanted with Julie Bishop.
I held such high hopes for her, but in the last three weeks I am becoming severely uneasy about her motives.
veronica
veronica
@Ted Power has done something to Bishop! her clothes become more expensive by the day, her face looks as though she has had a makeover.
Her manner has become so regal, remote from ordinary Australians.
She turned on the man that got the Coalition into government, after enduring years as leader of the opposition, to hitch her wagon with the vain arrogant treacherous Turnbull. Julie Bishop stinks as far as I am concerned.
It was not reported in the mainstream press, that Turnbull was booed at the football, i am sure there were a few for the couture wearing Julie.
Helen
Helen
@ Veronica and Ted... She has to look good while she struts around the stage at the UN Conferences and while grovelling to the Head of the UN Council, Saudi Arabia, for Australia to be awarded a place in the Council..... Lucky us.
On second thoughts, perhaps she should throw a burka in her suitcase as well.
Rod
Rod
There are a number of threats to Australia's security and sovereignty. All are significant, but can there be any doubt that the UN is the greatest of these? We would be well advised to ignore this neo-Marxist outfit completely. 
Marie
Marie
Good article. Turncoat, oops turnbull wants to 'grand stand' and the U.N. is one way of being able to do so!
sue
sue
Mr Turnbull's interest historically is with Goldman Sachs. At the Earth Summit it was put to the assembled countries that there should be a bank account created for the money that would flow in from the carbon credits.  They all agreed and the resulting bank was a private bank owned by Rothschild which has changed its name a few times.The involvement  of private finance with the UN has been covered in depth in many reputable places on the internet.  Did the Cabinet request this involvement with UN from our consultative PM?

Phil
Phil
Prof Triggs is an example of what happens when bodies like the HRC are set up to promote a ‘rights’ agenda which are not counter-balanced by a set of ‘responsibilities’; it’s time to re-badge the HRC into the Human Rights and Responsibilities Commission to ensure that all rights are matched by codes of responsibilities.At present the HRC commissioners seem to think it’s their job to kick start a new age of enlightenment all based ‘rights’ which is another way of opening the door even wider to money grabbing civil rights lawyers.Jack Straw British Home Secretary who introduced a ‘bill of rights’ into the UK, later said it was the worst days work in his life; he added that if he had his time over again he would have introduced a ‘bill of responsibilities’ at the same time. 
Helen
Helen
@ Phil, good point and " responsibilities" should be added to the title.
Here is another question:-
Why do we need THREE Australian Human Rights Commissioners and two for each state?
Why can't we have ONE Human Rights Commissioner, Tim Wilson who seems to have a brain and not an agenda and ONE state Commissioner?
Just make Gillian Triggs and Tim Southpamsames jobs redundant.
Save a $ million at the same time.
Surely this is possible. Anyone out there know a reason why we can't?
Charmaine
Charmaine
@Helen. Because Triggs' job was created by an act of Parliament- Gillard's idea ( captain's pick ) & it would take the same to get rid of her. What's the likelihood ? Obviously done that way for that reason.
Helen
Helen
@ Charmaine, thanks for that. I have been trying to find the " Terms and Conditions of Employment" with regards to Australian Human Rights Commissioners.
Surely there are conditions under which they can be dismissed/ asked to step down or are they totally untouchable?
Margit
Margit
Just as the planet is divided into climate zones that are not compatible with each other (try to grow a coconut palm tree in the arctic circle or rear a polar bear near the equator) so there are cultures/societies that are incompatible.
How can one find a common denominator for such diversity and create a one-world concept such as the UN.

Jeffrey
Jeffrey
The UN is an over-paid retirement gig for politicians past their use by dates, deposed union leaders, unemployable NGO hangers-on and other ideologues from academia and the far left, all looking to make a pile for themselves.    Consequently its current leaders are never going to stand up to the social engineers, the truth manipulators and the autocratic members who use it to line their own pockets.    That’s why it continually fails at what ever it tries. We should wise up and stop throwing so much good money after bad.The West would be better off ring fencing the UN’s international security stuff and junking all the social and environmental stuff, we already know we can deal with these things at a Nation State level; so we don’t need supra-national governments as a conscience.
 
Helen
Helen
@ Jeffrey, you left out one word in your first sentence.
" The UN is a DANGEROUS over paid gig....... "
Because Turnbull and Bishop are grovelling to sign this country up to everything it stands for including to join the Saudi led UN Council.
Why would this country or any decent country want ANYTHING to do with the UN Council lead by Saudi who's track record on Human Rights violations is second only to ISIS?!
Charmaine
Charmaine
@Helen. What annoys me about Julie Bishop's public rationale for signing up to the UN Agenda 2030 : 17 Goals of a Globalist Government ( that last part is rarely if ever quoted in the press) , is only quoted as for the empowerment of women & girls. Of course a laudatory goal, but she never mentions , amongst the other goals, ( for those who have read them, looked at the UN 's past history in these areas, & thought about the long-term consequences for Australia's sovereignty & independence,) the goal of eradicating poverty & the obvious intention for Western countries to be pressured to take further large numbers of immigrants, which has happened in Europe recently, bringing massive social discord & divisiveness. Just for eg. , reports of people in Germany being turned out of their rental accommodation to be given to incoming " refugees", because it , & many other countries, just cannot cope with the numbers.
Analysts have stated , this mass migration will go on for years. Who believes that the UN will not step up significant pressure on Australia to take many more than the 12,000 already agreed to? The UN has already displayed , by their aggressive, bullying demands by UN migrant rights rapporteur, that that is exactly what Australia can expect. After all, lies are no problem apparently when there is an ideological war to be won ( see untruthful statements by Crepeau & Triggs ).
Who also believes that our new PM would withstand the onslaught on the UN's pressure once we have become a signatory to the Agenda containing so many Trojan Horses ?
Roger
Roger
@Jeffrey Unemployable NGO hangers on AND delegates from African countries who simply refuse to go home at the end of their term, so they stay in the building. There are people there sitting in offices using manual typewriters. Can you imagine it. Every time I see a picture of the impoverished people of Ghana, I think of its most famous export, Kofi Annan. He of the smooth manner and the mellifluous tones. As the ex Secretary General, he has never gone home. Still lives in New York, I understand. Tough life.

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noun idiot sa·vant \ˈē-ˌdyō-sä-ˈväⁿ, or same as idiot and savant for respective sing and plural forms\
plural idiots savants \-ˌdyō-sä-ˈväⁿ(z)\ or idiot savants \-ˈväⁿ(z)\

Definition of IDIOT SAVANT

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:  a person affected with a mental disability (as autism or mental retardation) who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field (as mathematics or music) —called also savant
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:  a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows little about anything else
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French, literally, learned idiot
First Known Use: 1927
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idiot savant

 
noun idiot sa·vant \ˈē-ˌdyō-sä-ˈväⁿ; ˈid-ē-ət-sə-ˈvänt, -ˈvant\
plural idiots savants \-ˌdyō-sä-ˈväⁿ(z); -əts-sə-ˈvänt(s), -ˈvant(s)\  or idiot savants

Medical Definition of IDIOT SAVANT

:  a person affected with a mental disability (as autism or mental retardation) who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field (as mathematics or music)—called also savant

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Joe Donohue
I am an idiot savant who incorporates god into his music and tv compilations. Basically you will see crosses in the shadows and biblical phrases and words come together. its beautiful...
Kathy Maiden Atwater · 
Dr. Ben Carson would be an example.
Robert Pinopolops
Ben Carson is a brilliant, accomplished man.
Like · Reply · 1 · Jul 25, 2015 8:41pm
Dan Roth
Carson is a sharp individual; not hardly an idiot savant. Looking at your picture and what you said might lead a person to believe that you are an idiot savant.
Like · Reply · 1 · Sep 11, 2015 12:13pm
Reg Starkey · 
Oliver Sacks' book 'The man who mistook his wife for a hat
Luiz Claudio Weiss · 
An anthropologist on Mars is better, regarding this theme
Like · Reply · Jul 30, 2015 5:03am
Mary Traylor McClelland
Just wondering about someone in the family who can cause a lot of trouble by being completely a social misfit but can be so smart in other ways. He is mean with his words; so this may not be the right term or him.
Louise Sp · 
I became acquainted with a child with autism and a great interest in locks
mspm629
I thought my sister might be one, and she is one. Just without the "savant" part.
JoAnne Curren · 
I was trying to give the definition to my son and just wanted to check to see if I had it right.
Edward Hearn · 
Knew it but just forgot the expression.
Rod Swanstrom · 
AHHHH ... I finally have a name to call myself !! tre cool !!
Like · Reply · 1 · Feb 10, 2014 6:04am
Maxine Batrawi · 
I attended a Hypnosis seminar and the leader announced herself as an Idiot Savant. She was such an amazing woman!!!
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Michelle Engledow · 
A few come to mind
Abhishek Gajbhiye
Eminem's Rolling Stone interview.
Joy Waters · 
Works at Disabled
Can idiot savants be good spouses?
Holly Sauer Dufresne
I would love a reply to this myself. Having lived with a savant(take the word idiot out...lacking in common sense maybe but definitely not an idiot.) for 10 years I know how difficult it can be. My spouse is on the spectrum but he is absolutely brilliant in his area of expertise and he is kind and generous. He is so focused on his task that he finds it hard to relax let alone smile or laugh easily. Many things should be done yesterday. Having said that his organizational skills and his memory are way beyond 'normal.' I never have to wait for anything to be done. I have had great patience with his learning how to treat people as his social skills are lacking and for this I have suffered too. As in it is easier to not be social as I am often afraid of what he will say. I have ten years in and I love him so I am not going anywhere. We are making progress and we have counseling. Would I do it again...NO.
Like · Reply · Apr 15, 2014 1:17pm
Melissa MacTavish
Holly Sauer Aspergers /// completely different from "savant" idiot or not.. Your husband is "wired differently". Aspergers is not a "syndrome" It's the evolution of human beings... I'll take a hundred socially unacceptable truths over 1 sugar-coated lie to keep "friends" ... "the truth hurts" .. I am sorry for you that "wouldn't do it again" but "will hang in there" because of time invested... Imagine, you've been in prison for 10 years... the gates open and they guards say "you're free to go"... do you stay... or walk out? that's the analogy I read... (I don't like it but I've been h...See More
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Melissa MacTavish
Your husband is not able to read facial expressions.. you have to tell him what you want and need.. You have to say, "I need a hug"... " you have to say, I didn't ask you to solve my problem, I just want you to listen to me and comfort me"- and he will.. the truth shall set you free.
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Sydney Fox · 
I'm interested in idiots savant because I am one. Syd Fox, New Zealand.
Jane Costanzo · 
design of artwork recognized by an acclaimed art professor who described it as savant.... what does this mean?? certainly not idiot,.. it's savantly amazing... please advise? TY - XO
Debra Klecan · 
My husband's cousin could tell you everything and anything related to NASA space travel. Dates, astronauts, name of every mission, but couldn't hold down a job, make his own breakfast, etc. He truly was a Rainman. It was fascinating.
Farah Dyer-Steel · 
our boy is autistic and is being tested by the university for his IQ. they wanted to know if we thought he had any exceptional 'savant' skills.
Nancy Petillo · 
my grandson has autism and is very high functioning..he is always singing and can tell when someone is off-key we think he has perfect pitch..his grandfather was a singer and entertainer. his mother is considering giving him music lessons. he has been in several shows...having leads already. he is 12 now. he loves the theatre.he goes to catholic school and is in regular classes.
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Toni Holland · 
Works at Retired
It's a beautiful thing when a person doesn't let their disorder them but rather use their gifts in a great way. Hats off to this young man.
Like · Reply · Jun 9, 2013 9:36am
Toni Holland · 
Works at Retired
that should be hinder them. lol
Like · Reply · Jun 9, 2013 9:36am
David Getman Sr. · 
An IDIOT SAVANT-- My thoughts: a political body in disguise, with untruths veiled with corporate lies. No vision for anything but self conceit. A true idiot savant that has no courage to walk alone and pretend defeat. It is todays favored governmental body, democratic select. 300 million militant minority in a world of seven and one-half billion people suffering humility and problems from that conceit.
A factitious disorder by proxy.
Nathan Geoffroy · 
I'm a savant thank god my dad owns google.
coleman_h2003
I was a savant of fashion and design at 14 yrs old I learned to make clothing which looked store bought my mother was so proud my mother has since past away along with the other 5 members of my family and my 2 best freinds which has hindered my success in the field I could make a pair of jeans within 2 hours I had people at my mom and dads door waiting for the next product I made and they had ordered I'm 49 yrs old now and my entire family has passed I'm the only one left which has made it hard for me to focus on my talent I miss those days I was well known in my town for making high fashion h...See More
Amy Brinkman · 
My son is autistic and this term has been tossed around in conversation about him and his possible future. I am very new to the spectrum and wanted to know the definition.
Tricia Bray Wright · 
I have a friend who has exhibited these symptoms ever since I've known him, 30+ years. Photographic memory, exceptional math skills, but his social skills are limited and sometimes inappropriate . I googled to find this site.
Rick Banks · 
Based on some particular personality qualities, I'm convinced that I know one. I wanted to be sure of the definition.
Donna Short · 
Because the computer won't just look up servant. It changes it to servant. So I had to use the politically incorrect term "idiot servant".
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Rachel E F Livengood
I'm autistic and exceptionally skilled at biology and geology, particularly at making detailed observations and identifying something just by looking at it. I was wondering if I'm a savant, and according to this definition I am. I don't appreciate being called an "idiot," though.
Like · Reply · 3 · Oct 18, 2012 6:05pm
Karen Grimes Leinweber
I read that the Forrest Gump character in the book was an "idiot savant" and I wanted to see what that meant.
Barb Treppa Krantz · 
Just started reading The Last Oracle by James Rollins and it is about autistic savants.
Marvina Hirni · 
I was looking up the definition of scholar, found the synonym savant and then found idiot savant.
Gabe Bain · 
I checked out this sight because two shrinks said that to me. One came right out and said it and the other hinted the one that hinted said I was a genius on one level and not very good on the others. I just figured most folks are like that. anyway just thought I'd comment.
Hector Andino · 
Research for my Clothing Label.
Peter Shay
I heard a well-known photograph collector (having one of the finest collections in the world) give a talk last night and his presentation was so weird and self-indulgent, but otherwise brilliant in his knowledge of and taste in photography.
Kelli Givens
Julius Malema - SOMETIMES he gets it so right.
Yarley Nystrom · 
Because I can!
Rudolph Trocan · 
I was thinking about a couple in england some years ago who where in their sixtys that had a son that could play clasic music on the piano who ever had been taught such as mozart or any of the masters but not in the style of those who had played for years, but was a delight to his parents.
Nancy Savage
Makes me think if the movie "Rainman".
Like · Reply · Jul 22, 2011 9:51am
Nancy Savage
Hope you & Aunt Kay are doing well!!!
Like · Reply · Jul 22, 2011 9:51am
Shawn Rainey Hope
Hailey Kay Gibson & Annastasia Dancetastic Mason, nevermind I did it for you. Cuz yall "SLOW".
Annastasia Mason · 
Lol.
Like · Reply · Jul 20, 2011 10:53am
Gayle Waters Spengler · 
Because it seems like a work with a few......
Like · Reply · 2 · May 11, 2011 9:04am
Gayle Waters Spengler · 
What I meant to say is "it seems like I work with a few"......
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Christy Leigh Anne · 
I am not one though!!! LMAO!!
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coleman_h2003
i was a savant of fashion and design at 14 yrs old i learned to make clothing which looked store bought my mother was so proud my mother has since past away along with the other 5 members of my family and my 2 best freinds which has hindered my success in the field i could make a pair of jeans within 2 hours i had people at my mom and dads door waiting for the next product i made and they had ordered im 49 yrs old now and my entire family has passed im the only one left which has made it hard for me to focus on my talent i miss those days i was well known in my town for making high fashion high quality clothing also interior design including comforters and curtains what can i do to resume my abilities im 49 now and im really torn by the fact my family and freinds have gone out of my life forever the most recent passing was my bother and sister in 2011 which has saddened me i really need help to get my mind together what shall i do 
henry
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Michael Teig · 
Get back at it.
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According to MYEFO papers, the government is slashing funding of national institutions such as the NLA to help finance the filming of the US movies Thor and Alien being shot in Sydney.
Are we scraping so low now that our national heritage is in the hands of yobbos like Mitch Fifield and the other C-grade ministers in this lousy government.

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Curator Martin Woods with a 1678 map of the world at the National Library of Australia in Canberra. Picture: Ray Strange

A map of the New World from 1730. Picture: Ray Strange

Curator Martin Woods with a 1678 map of the world at the National Library of Australia in Canberra. Picture: Ray Strange

A map of the New World from 1730. Picture: Ray Strange

Think of a map. If a copy exists in the National Library of Australia, chances are you can download a publishable version for free.
The Canberra library has ­released 40,000, out-of-copyright maps in what it claims constitutes the world’s biggest library of free digitised historical maps.
The surveys date from the late 15th century to 50 years ago and include the vast — maps of the globe — to the intimate — sketches of suburban backyards.
There is a collection of architect Walter Burley Griffin’s drawings of Canberra, there’s a Sydney tramway map from the turn of last century revealing an intricate rail system the current NSW government can merely dream of replicating.
The Japanese government funded digitisation of army survey maps of the southwest Pacific and then matched them with war diaries held by the Australian War Memorial. Library map ­curator Martin Woods said the exercise sought to locate military actions to help the repatriation of war dead.
Norman B. Tindale’s famous map showing the distribution of Aboriginal tribes of Australia is available for download.
Dr Woods said use of the collection since its soft launch at Christmas had been brisk, and in recent weeks some technological bugs had been ironed out. “Within the cartographical community this is a very big deal,” he said.
Family history researchers, property owners and even cafe decorators have mined the collection.
“We provide compressed format so anybody can download them, but if anyone wants high-resolution maps they can also do that for all 40,000 maps,” he said.
Researchers have downloaded historical maps and superimposed them over Google maps to discover historical context.
Dr Woods envisages a day when a sequence of historical maps is layered over a contemporary map to provide a multi-layered historical picture.
The biggest map in the system is of Bungendore township near Canberra, where a 3m by 4m town map was so big it had to be scanned in sections.
The library’s digital mapping project began 15 years ago and will take many more to be completed, with only 5 per cent of the entire 800,000-strong collection having been copied.
The digital map release isn’t unique to Australia; t he British ­Library has digitised 10,000 maps and the New York Public Library has released 20,000 maps.



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According to MYEFO papers, the government is slashing funding of national institutions such as the NLA to help finance the filming of the US movies Thor and Alien being shot in Sydney.
Are we scraping so low now that our national heritage is in the hands of yobbos like Mitch Fifield and the other C-grade ministers in this lousy government.




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Belgium must accept failure of its open-border policies

The EU is reaping what it has sowed. Islamic State’s ­jihadist attack on the EU’s de facto capital, Brussels, is a direct consequence of lax immigration policy that has produced an Islamist core in Belgium prepared to enact ­jihadism against the West.
The Belgian ambassador to Australia, Jean-Luc Bodson, has underplayed state culpability for the attacks and claims it is not a ­reflection of European immigration policy. He is wrong on both counts.
Two months before Belgium was targeted by jihadists, Republican frontrunner Donald Trump warned it had become “a hellhole” because of sharia law advocates who refused to integrate. He was excoriated for it.
Late last year, Tony Abbott urged Europe to adopt a ­rational border security policy and offered the Australian immigration model as an example. The Left was so upset by the prospect that Europe might see the light, they rushed to defend the lax border policies that are ushering ­jihadists into the West. The New York Times’ editorial board warned European ­officials against the Australian model, sowing shameless agitprop under the headline, “Australia’s brutal treatment of migrants”.
In the wake of the Brussels ­attack, Malcolm Turnbull confirmed the success of the Australian immigration model that combines strong border policy with national security and gives priority to the intake of genuine asylum-seekers from UN refugee camps. The Belgian ambassador reacted rather unproductively. ­Instead of considering the benefits of the Australian model, he prosecuted the fallacy that there is no link between European refugee policy and Islamist terrorism.
Yet the emergence of pan-­European jihadism demonstrates immigration and national security policies are indivisible. Despite Bodson’s claim to the contrary, the jihadists involved in the Paris and Belgium terror attacks have benefited directly from the EU’s open-border and refugee policies. A key planner of the gruesome Paris attacks, Belgian Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was a jihadist with ­Islamic State before re-entering Europe by posing as a refugee. Suicide bomber Ibrahim Abdeslam was a returned jihadist from Syria. Another Paris jihadist entered ­Europe posing as a refugee under the name Ahmad al-Mohammad. He was reportedly welcomed in refugee camps before slaughtering dozens of innocents in Paris.
The bomb-maker Najim Laach­raoui also travelled to Syria in 2013 before returning to Europe with Algerian jihadist Mohamed Belkaid under a false identity.
Turkish President Recep Tay­yip Erdogan claims that Belgian authorities ignored his country’s warning that Ibrahim El Bakraoui, one of the two Belgian brothers ­responsible for the latest terrorist attacks, was a returning jihadist.
It is not the first time Belgium’s lax approach to national security has been connected to international jihadism. Two days before 9/11, Tunisian-born Belgian Tarek Maaroufi aided in the assassi­nation of Ahmad Shah Massoud, a champion of anti-­Taliban forces in Afghanistan. The Belgian government was impli­cated in the jihadist killing because it had refused Tunisia’s request to extradite Maaroufi on suspicion he belonged to a terrorist group.
In Europe, Belgium is the biggest per capita supplier of jihadists for Syria and Iraq. It appears that for well over a decade, the Belgian government has known about the nation’s Islamist problem.
For example, a 2002 report by the Belgian parliamentary committee of state intelligence services detailed the failure of the state to screen Islamist radicals properly.
The failure was attributed to poor funding, the mistaken belief that Belgian Islamists wouldn’t ­attack on home soil and officials’ fears of being accused of xenophobia or racism towards immigrants and Muslims.
Brussels developed into a hub for terrorism because of lax immigration policy and the refusal of many politicians to counter the ­Islamist threat.
But the complex administrative structure of Belgium also impedes the policy cohesion and political bipartisanship required to combat terrorism.
Across Europe, Muslim communities tend to vote Left, which provides an incentive for progressivist politicians to minimise any problems therein and refuse bipartisan alliances with the Right.
A survey for Le Figaro newspaper, for example, found that 93 per cent of French Muslims voted for the Socialist Party’s Francois Hollande in 2012.
Hollande continued to defend the open-border policy even after ­jihadists’ exploitation of it to slaughter French citizens became public knowledge.
The role of Socialist politicians has loomed large in the development of Islamism in Belgium. From 1992 to 2012, the suburb of Molenbeek was governed by socialist mayor Philippe ­Moureaux. Molenbeek is home to several terrorists implicated in the Paris and Brussels attacks, and Salah Abdeslam was harboured there.
During his term, Moureaux pursued an aggressively open-border position and attacked those who criticised it as racist.
Following the Paris attacks, a former resident of Molenbeek, Teun Voeten, reflected on its ­demise from a multiculturalists’ dream into a dilapidated mono­culture ruled by conformist Islam.
Writing for Politico, he chronicled the closure of Jewish shops, gay persecution and the abuse of women, who were spat at on the streets and called whores.
As a result of the EU’s failure to uphold its primary duty of care to protect law-abiding citizens, the Schengen Agreement on a borderless Europe is all but over.
The European political elite and the Belgian ambassador to Australia should tell the truth about the root causes of the continental jihadist crisis.
The EU’s politically opportunistic approach to immigration coupled with an aggressive open-border policy has facilitated the growth of transnational jihadism as a European condition.
Bodson’s apparent attempt to reframe reality by blaming jihadism primarily on poverty and ­unemployment rather than European open-border policy is ­unpersuasive.
He would do well to consider the Australian immigration model rather than dismiss it with the ­insular attitude long associated with the European political class.
Geoff
Tragically we - I mean the social justice encrusted free
world - are eons behind the terrorists who are freely
referenced as euphemised militants these days.
Thanks ABC.
YOU HAVE OSTENSIVELY WON THE LABELS / dictionary wars.
Now the empathy brigade of the brigandine boors will soon laud the merits of so called islamic state!
After all they are mere derivated labels AKA militants.
So we are reduced via classical salami tactics.
And it will go on after our generation has departed : merely the 20 year time scale for the incipient Islamification of the world will change somewhat.
This is what socialist dystopia will bring to my grandchildren's generation.
Jennifer

Jennifer
Good article. We're totally fed up with feeble specious arguments from those who will not face reality like the Bodson types.

Jennifer

Jennifer
We have to get serious! I agree. The vetting process of these supposed 12,000 send shivers down my spine. We need to suspend that, hold a stop delay order on it until this mess is sorted. This is all just too serious if they are trying to make dirty nuclear bombs. This is highly highly serious. We don't need politicians more concerned about their own careers than our well being. Blair says it will only get worse. We are dealing with religious fanatics.
Thomas

Thomas
It is unfortunate that people like Abbott and Trump get quoted so frequently in the issue of terrorism in Europe.  Their simplistic slogans are not based on an understating of the issues. 

It is important no to conflate 'porous European borders' issue with the Schengen Agreement, whose principal purpose is the free movement of labour within the EU. 

It is a heroic and dishonest assumption to suggest that the strengthening of Europe's external borders will result in the demise of the Schengen Agreement.  There is no doubt that Europe will strengthen its external borders in the face on the unprecedented immigrant crisis primarily due to the civil war in Syria. 
There is no suggestion by any sensible European politician that the Schengen Agreement be abolished or even modified.  'Throw away' lines by ill informed commentators in Australia are not relevant and will be ignored even in the unlikely event that they are heard.  

P

P
In your rush to attack Abbott and Trump, you have completely misrepresented the Schengen Agreement to substantiate your point. Note from the website, "The Schengen Visa is the representative of the collective of 26 European countries that have mutually decided to eliminate passport and immigration controls at their joint borders. Within the Schengen area, concurrently, the citizens of these 26 European countries are free to travel in and out of this zone as one single country sharing equal international travel rights. The citizens of the Schengen zone countries cherish the right to migrate internationally without any limitations, the basis of free movement, one of the basic human rights." Your assertion that's its "principal purpose is the free movement of labour within the EU" is false. While you are entitled to guess that European leaders will not close borders in an attempt to stem the flow of refugees and, with them, terrorists, the facts say otherwise and it is likely that the citizens of the Schengen members will be more strident as more of their children are blown to bits by Islamist murderers who have traveled to them compliments of Schengen. No question, however, that throwaway lines ought be ignored.
Ralph

Ralph
@Thomas So, you haven't been watching the SBS news on Europe lately? For at least the last two months European countries have been putting up barb wire fences and shutting down borders Schengen is dead..
Raymond

Raymond
Come on Mr Di Natale and Sarah Hanson-Young,  what do you have to say about the Green Party's open-border policy for Australia?
Graham

Graham
"Across Europe, Muslim communities tend to vote Left, which provides an incentive for progressivist politicians to minimise any problems therein and refuse bipartisan alliances with the Right."
Therein lies the rub.
Are there any statistics for this in Australia?
"93 per cent of French Muslims voted for the Socialist Party’s Francois Hollande in 2012."

I don't think my conclusion drawn from these statements will be published, but a large part of the silent (maybe silenced!) majority may come to the same conclusion for the politics of the left  in Australia as I.
Graeme

Graeme
With the rise of Donald Trump I have hope for the first time that the irrational policies pursued by white, western nations since the 70's, will finally be exposed as irrational, and perhaps be overturned.

Multiculturalism was the essential plank in what has been an international plot to get North African Muslims into all these nations, creating a diaspora that was unimaginable before the seventies.

Multiculturalism informed !8C which suppressed any debate on immigration, just as now it supresses debate on changing the age old meaning of the word marriage as still followed by all world religions.

Multiculturalism, by design, subordinates the existing culture so that even cultures with religious laws cannot easily be contained once ensconced and in receipt of welfare state largesse.

Without an iconoclast like Trump, willing to risk all, we would be hamstrung by bipartisanship such that even conservative politicians are afraid to speak out.
In time, Brussels is entirely possible in Sydney, Australia.

There is still time for us.

Europe, as we have known it, is finished. 

Gazza

Gazza
Alot of what everyone says can be whitewashed by  .. their ABC! 
Theres the problem. Until this behemoth is put under control again, it has too much influence on politics in Australia.     Sell the ABC.

john

john
Gazza .
The ALA have a policy of privatising SBS, slashing the ABCs budget and getting them back to basics.
They have my vote.
Graeme

Graeme
Can I urge everyone to go to U tube and view "Orban's historic speech".
This is not regarded as news in any Australian news outlet that I have found.
Agree or disagree, it is ominous that our news is so obviously censored.

Bernie

Bernie
Jennifer says: "Bodson’s apparent attempt to reframe reality by blaming jihadism primarily on poverty and ­unemployment rather than European open-border policy is ­unpersuasive".
It is much worse than merely "unpersuasive".
It is a disgraceful, sick joke uttered by some governmental appointee who personally encapsulates all that is wrong in Europe, and which has been wrong for decades.
The words he used confirm that he is so bound up in Political Correctness that his permanently-fitted, rose-coloured welding goggles make it impossible for him to admit the reality that is literally right before his leftard eyeballs: the problem is islam and his nation has spent decades smiling benignly and impotently whiles radical islam has constructed its key European base right in the middle of their capital city.
Ambassador Bodson is so clueless that he wouldn't know that a Melbourne tram was fair up him unless the conductor rang the bell.
Duncan

Duncan
When anti immigration parties consistently get 25% support across national elections, the European political elite will become more distant from the people. They are the unrepresentative swill of Europe.
Peter

Peter
One day some politician will be charged with recklessness & treason

P

P
@Peter  That is happening in Thailand right now. The Military Dictatorship has put the last democratically elected PM, Yingluck Shinawatra, a woman, on trial in an "administrative" court for the failed, so called, rice pledging scheme. It is likely she'll be required to hand over billions of baht in compensation for her alleged administrative negligence in allowing the scheme to continue.
greg

greg
The EU is about one or two mass casualty events away from an epiphany, alas still many innocents yet to die.

Bernie

Bernie
Good comment.
Eventually, after the "Nth" terrorist attack, even the left will capitulate and admit there is a problem with islam and with muslim enclaves.
This epiphany will happen.
Even Ayer's Rock can be gradually worn away by a constant drip of water.

Henry

Henry
@Bernie @greg I wish it was true but I don't think it will happen. While the Left's hatred for the West and the US is greater, it will remain silent, or continue to apologise for 'those who wish to do us harm' as the ABC put it. They cannot even bring themselves to name the religion of the perpetrators. Perhaps we should cll the radicals of this religion "Voldemort." 
Greg

Greg
"Poverty and unemployment".  That is what happens when your immigrants have neither the skills, the education, the training or the aspiration for 21st century jobs in first world nations.  There are few production-line and labouring jobs in Europe for poorly schooled and spoken.
Certainly, idle hands are the devil's plaything ,, but western welfare (particularly if you have many children and/or more than one wife) generates household income far greater than anything they experienced at home ,, and the desire to get a job, pay tax and assimilate simply isn't there.
If you don't set standards -- and enforce them -- regarding who moves to your country to live what chance do you have of attracting high quality citizens (and investment capital)??
The poverty and unemployment of your Arabs is going to get worse not better: and their violence is not going to diminish.
David

David
Australia please don't elect a socialist government at this critical time in our history!

Greg

Greg
@David  The social-democrats represented by Malcolm Turnbull and George Brandis are bad enough.  Broadly speaking -- regarding s18C of Australia's Racial Discrimination Act, our politicians fall into two categories --
(1) Libertarian, Classic Liberals and Conservatives who believe the section should be extensively modified.
(2) Social Democrats who believe the section is right fir and proper.
Malcolm Turnbull and Anthony Albanese are on the same page on every single policy.
It is TweedleDee and TweedleDum ,, unless centre-right voters abandon the Liberal Party.
Irene

Irene
The trouble is that the parties led by MT and BS are Labor-lite and Labor respectively.
Richard

Richard
Surely the message to come out of the Brussels disasters, for Australia, is obvious. Simply screen the 12,000 Syrian refugees we've committed to accepting (after being able to prove their identity) on the basis of religion: non-Muslims would move to the next level of screening (e.g. criminal record), but Muslims fall at the first hurdle and so must remain in a refugee camp awaiting assistance from another middle eastern (Muslim) country, or perhaps Ms Merkel's tolerant, all-welcoming Germany!

Peter

Peter
Good thought however, how could you be sure of the religion they claim to follow?
Duncan

Duncan
The screening must focus on the most persecuted minorities and those that have no prospect of returning. This would include christians, Yazidis and others. It should also focus on family units with both parents plus children. No single young men with no family
AlanGP

AlanGP
The root cause of the worlds drift to becoming progressively more  Socialist is simple. Each and nearly every Government endeavours to gain our vote at election time. The only way to do that is to use OUR money to buy our vote. Unfortunatly each party is forced to out bid the other.
As soon as a government tries to reverse this trend they are penalised. TA went down in the polls as a result of doing  just that. Ref the 2014 budget. His attempt to do this was easily exploited by the opposition.
He went down in the polls because we, the mob,like having all these goodies showered upon us and will resist any attempt to reverse the trend. It is a habit that we have no intention of breaking.
My guess would be that we will continue this trend until the system fails big time. 

Colin

Colin
@AlanGP Well put. I am reminded of an email I received which puts it well

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
Temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
Form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
The time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
Gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
Always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
The public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
Collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
Dictatorship."

 

 
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
Beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
Years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

 

 
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

Justin

Justin
"Across Europe, Muslim communities tend to vote Left" This is a reversal of cause and effect.  Muslim communities vote left because the Left stand for anticapitalism and anti-USA.  This is the same reason that progressives cannot bring themselves to accept that the PLO is/was a terrorist orgsanisation - it was fighting the Great Satan's manifestation in the Middle East, aka Israel... but somehow this was not in their small mindedness antisemitic, because only the far right could be that...
Robert

Robert
Wahhabist Sunni Islam is spread not by poverty, but by Saudi petro dollars. Our ally is our deadliest enemy.
The US cannot espouse any plausible response to ISIS while maintaining this flawed alliance. Rather than ask the Republican nominees how the US should respond in Syria, they should be asked how they would extricate the US from its relationship with Saudi Arabia, allowing the US to then threaten the Saudis for further support of Wahhabism.
John

John
I see that Belgian  citizens gathering to express their concerns that they and their loved ones may be soon subject to random slaughter.........have been dispersed by the Belgian State...using riot police and water cannon......they have of course all been labelled by the authorities and  the world's journalist as "far right extremists "

Henry

Henry
@John They have also been branded as "racists" for their anti-Islamic chanting. Islam is not a race. It is a religion. When was the last (or the FIRST time) that someone was branded a racist for chanting anti-Christian slogans?

Mark

Mark
As serious as the jihadist threat is, by far the greater threat to the West is the drip drip water torture of Islamisation by stealth.  A mosque here, madrassa there and you end up like the proverbial frog in boiling water.  One day, the almost incessant lobbying for a watered down Sharia law to be allowed in a muslim majority community will succeed (as is the case in many areas in the UK) - it only takes a weak politician in a vulnerable electorate and Molenbeek, here we come...

Peter

Peter
Donald Trump, Fred Bloggs ... whoever : Brussels is a hell-hole because of sharia law advocates who refuse to integrate. Suck it up, socialist princesses. You can cat-wail all you want and the facts remain the facts. No more Muslim immigration to Australia. Why in the name of God ... and Allah ... would we encourage the disintegration of our society and culture. Why why why ???  

Russ

Russ
So we dispense with the core principle of a democratic society that every person has inalienable rights and the right to be judged as an individual?

Andrew

Andrew
Not every person has the right to become an Australian citizen - that is not an inalienable human right. As a sovereign nation we have the right and I might add the responsibility to our future generations to protect our nation and it's society. Islam is intolerant of our democratic principles so we should exercise our sovereign right to deny that culture any more of a foothold in this country.
Every time there is an Islamic terrorist atrocity we hear politicians and security officials stating that they are doing everything possible to keep us safe. Until they stop all Islamic immigration that is a complete fabrication.

Liberty

Liberty
@Andrew Not every person has the right to become an Australian citizen - that is not an inalienable human right. ...but as far as internationalists are concerned it is. Many on the far left and post modern right are. 
Thomas

Thomas
Those naive fools who blame "inequality" and "marginalisation" for the rise of militant jihadism fail to grasp that the violent culture that this jihadism seeks to spread has long held inequality and oppression at its very heart including the marginalisation and cruel mistreatment of women. These jihadists could be thrown mountains of gold and given infinite life opportunities but would still continue to pursue their fanatical and horrific goals. It is an ancient ideology that drives them - an ideology completely incompatible with a modern world.
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