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MISPLACED???....LAST POST 3/3/15 11 22 am .. PER THE OZ WEBSITE ON MARCH 3 2015:

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LAST POST PER THE OZ WEBSITE ON MARCH 3 2015:
I have no idea where this comes from - it is incompatible with anything published the last few days in The Australian.
GS

Last Post, March 3

THE true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity. Say what you mean and mean what you say. We are sick of obfuscation, weasel words and lies. It’s not about loyalty to your leader, the party and your colleagues. It’s about loyalty to our country and those who voted you into office. Before we decide to vote informal at the next election, please reintroduce some integrity into Australian politics.
D. Barrington, Torrensville, SA
Tony Abbott will be basking in the good news about improved polling. Unfortunately for him there is the possibility that the improvement may be based on the electorate’s expectations that Malcolm Turnbull will soon be PM.
Ray McHenry, Berwick, Vic
The Coalition parties should not be asking what Tony Abbott can do for them, they should be asking what they can do for Tony Abbott.
Roy Kington, Castle Hill, NSW
Perhaps the Prime Minister ought to replace his good mate and Treasurer Joe Hockey with his good mate and Vatican financial watchdog, Cardinal George Pell.
Peter Long, Gunnedah, NSW
Why do I get an uneasy feeling leadership speculation in the Liberal camp has more to do with power posturing in the party and little if anything to do with the national interest?
D. J. Fraser, Mudgeeraba, Qld
Thank you, Vic Alhadeff, for exposing what is being said on the streets of Sydney at a time when unity and respect are what is called for (“It may be more difficult to recognise and counter, but nonviolent extremism is no less deadly”, 2/3). Jew hatred expressed by these evil sayers of Hizb ut-Tahrir is truly dangerous. You don’t have to be cutting off heads and burning people to be violent and dangerous Words can also incite and influence.
Jill Samowitz, Sydney, NSW
The recent video shown by Hizb ut-Tahrir gives us a glimpse into their medieval world beyond the nuanced speech of their apologists. In Australia, we can’t afford to be complacent.
Stephen Perry, Hornsby, NSW
Thank you, Grace Collier, for your Q&A critique (“Lessons of the leaf taught me a lot”, 28/2). It took me only a few episodes to understand that this program is nothing more than a scripted parlour game in which a self-congratulatory presenter shows off his political savvy by asking loaded questions to which he already knows the answer and the panellists then win applause for their prowess as dodgers, deflectors and dissemblers.
Chris Lloyd-Bostock, Connellys Marsh, Tas

Correct Cut and Paste 11 27 am 3/3/15...With the boats stopped again, won’t somebody please think of the bureaucrats?

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I cut and paste THE OZ from THEIR Cut And Paste!
Read this:

But where’s the condemnation? Nick Dyrenfurth in The Age, yes­terday:
VIOLENCE carried out by supporters of ... totalitarianism, radical Islam, is met with thundering silence in the West. A section of what purports to be the left wing no longer stands unequiv­ocally against all forms of fascism and racism and is prepared to ignore or, worse, excuse an ideology that rejects Enlightenment values and promotes a racist, misogynistic and homophobic death cult.

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With the boats stopped again, won’t 

somebody please think of the bureaucrats?

LABOR wants to protect Gillian Triggs — to hide its record on children in detention?
The Australian Human Rights Commission president has performed. Penny Wong censures ­George Brandis, yesterday:
THE Attorney-General has tried to pressure Professor Triggs to resign precisely because she was doing her job.
Yes, but how? Amanda Vanstone, The Age, also yesterday:
IN 2004 … the numbers of children of boat arrivals in detention centres was going down ... When the Howard government left office in 2007 there were none. Labor’s change in policy resulted in the boats flooding in and ... the numbers went from zero to well over 1000. In the face of the incredible increase, the silence from the Human Rights Commission was deafening. On the return of the Coalition to office in 2013, the boats again were stopped and the numbers of kids in detention declined rapidly — and yet with things clearly on the improve, the Human Rights Commission decided to have an inquiry. Asked about the decline in numbers under the incoming government ... Triggs noted that a 20 per cent decline was not a lot because “you are dealing with human beings” ... Given the apparent understanding that we are dealing with human beings, Triggs’ evidence about planning a report for the 10th anniversary of a previous report seemed embarrassing. It merely reinforced the notion that bureaucracies all too often focus on themselves rather than their duty.
Ipsos follows Newspoll back towards the government. Mark Kenny, Fairfax, yesterday:
VOTERS have thrown Tony Abbott a lifeline just as his internal opponents were shaping to dump him.
The Sydney Morning Herald political editor Peter Hartcher offers an idiosyncratic interpretation:
AS Australia’s collective expectation moves to a Turnbull prime ministership, Bill Shorten becomes a less attractive alternative. This explains the sharp fall in his popularity. Abbott made him popular by default; the prospect of Turnbull is making him less so.
As does Ipsos’ Jess Elgood, the SMH:
IT possibly indicates that the voters have already moved on from Mr ­Abbott. But they have not despaired of the Liberal Party.
Naturally these ideas appeal at the ABC. Radio National Breakfast’s Fran Kelly goes one step further talking to Mathias Cormann:
ONE interpretation of this poll is that voters are returning to the government, supporting the government because they … actually have already made up their minds that Tony Abbott’s time is up and Malcolm Turnbull will soon be prime minister. What do you think of that interpretation? Does that bolster the case for a change for a leadership switch sooner rather than later?
Anti-Semitism rises. Trends in Religious Restrictions and Hostilities, Pew Research Center, February 26:
IN recent years, there has been a marked increase in the number of countries where Jews were harassed.
But where’s the condemnation? Nick Dyrenfurth in The Age, yes­terday:
VIOLENCE carried out by supporters of ... totalitarianism, radical Islam, is met with thundering silence in the West. A section of what purports to be the left wing no longer stands unequiv­ocally against all forms of fascism and racism and is prepared to ignore or, worse, excuse an ideology that rejects Enlightenment values and promotes a racist, misogynistic and homophobic death cult.

ex 2oo9 / 2013...Stephen Hawking joins academic boycott of Israel

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 This article was amended on 8 May 2013. The original described Hawking as Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge. He stepped down in 2009.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/stephen-hawking-israel-academic-boycott

Stephen Hawking joins academic boycott of Israel



Physicist pulls out of conference hosted by president Shimon Peres in protest at treatment of Palestinians




Stephen Hawking

 A statement published with Stephen Hawking's approval said his withdrawal was based on advice from academic contacts in Palestine. Photograph: Facundo Arrizabalaga/EPA
Professor Stephen Hawking is backing the academic boycott of Israel by pulling out of a conference hosted by Israeli president Shimon Peres in Jerusalem as a protest at Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
Hawking, 71, the world-renowned theoretical physicist and former Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge, had accepted an invitation to headline the fifth annual president's conference, Facing Tomorrow, in June, which features major international personalities, attracts thousands of participants and this year will celebrate Peres's 90th birthday.
Hawking is in very poor health, but last week he wrote a brief letter to the Israeli president to say he had changed his mind. He has not announced his decision publicly, but a statement published by the British Committee for the Universities of Palestine with Hawking's approval described it as "his independent decision to respect the boycott, based upon his knowledge of Palestine, and on the unanimous advice of his own academic contacts there".
Hawking's decision marks another victory in the campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions targeting Israeli academic institutions.
In April the Teachers' Union of Ireland became the first lecturers' association in Europe to call for an academic boycott of Israel, and in the United States members of the Association for Asian American Studies voted to support a boycott, the first national academic group to do so.
In the four weeks since Hawking's participation in the Jerusalem event was announced, he has been bombarded with messages from Britain and abroad as part of an intense campaign by boycott supporters trying to persuade him to change his mind. In the end, Hawking told friends, he decided to follow the advice of Palestinian colleagues who unanimously agreed that he should not attend.
Hawking's decision met with abusive responses on Facebook, with many commentators focusing on his physical condition, and some accusing him of antisemitism.
By participating in the boycott, Hawking joins a small but growing list of British personalities who have turned down invitations to visit Israel, including Elvis Costello, Roger Waters, Brian Eno, Annie Lennox and Mike Leigh.
However, many artists, writers and academics have defied and even denounced the boycott, calling it ineffective and selective. Ian McEwan, who was awarded the Jerusalem Prize in 2011, responded to critics by saying: "If I only went to countries that I approve of, I probably would never get out of bed … It's not great if everyone stops talking."
Noam Chomsky, a prominent supporter of the Palestinian cause, has said that he supports the "boycott and divestment of firms that are carrying out operations in the occupied territories" but that a general boycott of Israel is "a gift to Israeli hardliners and their American supporters".
Hawking has visited Israel four times in the past. Most recently, in 2006, he delivered public lectures at Israeli and Palestinian universities as the guest of the British embassy in Tel Aviv. At the time, he said he was "looking forward to coming out to Israel and the Palestinian territories and excited about meeting both Israeli and Palestinian scientists".
Since then, his attitude to Israel appears to have hardened. In 2009, Hawking denounced Israel's three-week attack on Gaza, telling Riz Khan on Al-Jazeera that Israel's response to rocket fire from Gaza was "plain out of proportion … The situation is like that of South Africa before 1990 and cannot continue."
Israel Maimon, chairman of the presidential conference said: "This decision is outrageous and wrong.
"The use of an academic boycott against Israel is outrageous and improper, particularly for those to whom the spirit of liberty is the basis of the human and academic mission. Israel is a democracy in which everyone can express their opinion, whatever it may be. A boycott decision is incompatible with open democratic discourse."
In 2011, the Israeli parliament passed a law making a boycott call by an individual or organisation a civil offence which can result in compensation liable to be paid regardless of actual damage caused. It defined a boycott as "deliberately avoiding economic, cultural or academic ties with another person or another factor only because of his ties with the State of Israel, one of its institutions or an area under its control, in such a way that may cause economic, cultural or academic damage".
 This article was amended on 8 May 2013. The original described Hawking as Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge. He stepped down in 2009.

March 5..Leftists like Miriam Margolyes are helping Hamas by criticising Israel

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Leftists like Miriam Margolyes are helping Hamas by criticising Israel

THE moment actress Miriam Margolyes opened her mouth to opine on anti-Semitism during the ABC’s Q&A this week, the moral rot at the heart of 21st-century leftist thought came on full display. Responding to an audience question on the issue of Jew-­hatred, the ever-so-progressive Margolyes indulged in a nauseating exhibition of “blame the victim” pathology. The reason “people don’t like Jews”, she didactically intoned, “is because of the actions of the state of Israel”.
Margolyes declared during a BBC interview in 2010 that she “totally understood” Palestinian anti-Jewish hostility because Is­rael “foments it”. Using Margolyes’s line of reasoning as a guide, the slaughter of Jews in Paris and Copenhagen should not be blamed on the jihadi fascists who actually pulled the triggers. The true culprits responsible for the shedding of Jewish blood in France and Denmark are instead those dastardly Zionists whose ­actions incite justifiable Islamic resentment.
This argument reflects a perverse form of patronising bigotry that infantilises Muslims by denying them the capacity for moral agency. By rationalising jihadi terrorism as a defensive reaction to the sins of the West, leftists un­avoidably portray Islamic radicals as wayward children who should not be held responsible for their actions.
At the height of World War II, George Orwell assailed British pacifists for being “objectively pro-Fascist”. After all, Orwell reasoned, “if you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other”.
By this same token Margolyes is guilty of being objectively pro-Hamas. Through her uncritical pro-Palestinian activism she provides political aid and polemical comfort to one of the most noxious theofascist movements in the world today.
It’s not just that Hamas has dispatched suicide bombers to murder Jewish civilians in Israel’s cities. In the world according to Margolyes that’s just an unfortunate but understandable by-product of Zionist oppression.
Yet the sad reality is Hamas is no less murderous when it comes to its own Palestinian population, displaying the quaint habit of throwing political rivals off the rooftops of Gaza’s multistorey buildings.
To be fair, Margolyes in passing expressed her dislike for the “Islamic Resistance Movement” — as Hamas is formally known. But then (literally) in the next breath she went on to parrot a mindless mantra about how it was “democratically elected”. As if Hamas models of sharia law and “one-man, one-vote, one-time” have anything to do with democracy as we know it.
Margolyes exemplifies the strange-bedfellows alliance between leftists and Islamists that defies logic and morality. In the Orwellian sense she is barracking for those who wish to kill her twice over and enslave her in the bargain. Margolyes is Jewish, a fact that marks her for death in the Hamas covenant that explicitly invokes a genocidal campaign to kill every Jew on earth. She is also openly gay, another capital offence in the Hamas playbook. And she’s a woman, and thus consigned to second-class citizenship under the strictures of sharia law.
Like any other fallible human enterprise, Israel is as imperfect as the people who created and govern it. But there are nonetheless certain home truths that should be objectively self-evident to those who haven’t lost their moral moorings.
Israel is the sole haven of political liberty in a part of the world that is otherwise dominated by despotism, jihadism or an­archy. It’s the only place in the Middle East where press freedom is unchallenged; the only place where an independent judiciary routinely checks the power of the executive; the only place where gays enjoy full rights as citizens; and the only place where governments peacefully relinquish power after a loss at the ballot box.
Yet just as the Islamic Middle East is consumed by civil war and genocide, Margolyes seeks the downfall of the sole democracy in that tortured region. Margolyes’s ethical disorientation is a symptom of a greater malady. She’s a microcosm of the “long march through the institutions of power” advocated in the late 1960s by Marxist student radical Rudi “the Red” Dutschke.
Across the past half-century much of our media and many centres of cultural authority have devolved into leftist monocultures of self-flagellation that preach moral relativism, the evils of free-market capitalism and the black-armband narrative of Western history.
As a result we’ve become so timidly PC that many of us are incapable of recognising the obvious fact that Westminster democracy is superior to Wahhabi theocracy.
Ted Lapkin served as a ministerial adviser in the Abbott government.

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    I can understand self hating Jews like Schakowsky and Cohen despicable behavior. I could never understand Herzog's thinking. Is he that stupid who can't see Iran's existential threat to Israel. Or he is so power hungry willing to jeopardized Israel survival?.
    It's time for Jews all around the world to realized that Hussein O's goal is to destroy Israel.


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        Herzog is clearly a power hungry individual whose thirst for power trumps all other issues-even including the survival of the state he wishes to lead.


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            He pales into transparency when compared to Livni.
            I truly hope and pray the left does not accede to power. :o


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                And a disgrace to the family name. His grandfather Isaac was a scholar and pre-state Israel's first Chief Rabbi. His father Chaim was a leading ambassador and defender of Israel. Today's Herzog is just a selfish political hack.


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                  You need to do your homework big time!


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                      NO !!!!!! YOU need to do yours-----and quickly !!!!


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                            You are a really ignorant poster and shameless at that.


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                                Do your homework and you will see that what I have posted is true Start here! Do your research!
                                Christian centre torched in Jerusalem
                                Israel News.Net Thursday 26th February, 2015
                                A Christian seminary building in Jerusalem was torched and anti-Jesus slurs were spray-painted on its walls early Thursday in, what the police suspect, a hate crime attack by far-right Jews.
                                A spokesperson for the fire services said firefighters arrived at the scene near Jerusalem's Old City at around 4 a.m. and extinguished the blaze, Xinhua news agency reported.
                                No injuries were reported but the building, which belongs to the Greek-Orthodox church, was damaged. Racist graffiti were spray-painted on a wall.
                                The building is situated on Mount Zion across from the Old City, one of the areas most prone to the so-called "price tag" attacks.
                                Dozens of hate crimes by Israeli extremists have taken place in the area, including assaults and spitting attacks on Christian clergymen and vandalism of churches, cars and tombs.
                                "Price tags" are attacks perpetrated by far-right Jews against Palestinians' property or religious sites, including mosques and Christian churches, in response to Palestinian violence or, alternatively, to Israeli government moves that are perceived as a threat to the expansion of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
                                The latest incident came a day after a mosque in the West Bank village of Jab'aa near Bethlehem was set on fire. According to Palestinian reports, settlers entered the mosque overnight and sprayed hate graffiti on the walls, including "Revenge" and "We want redemption of Zion".

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                                  Christians in the Middle East are *only* safe and thriving in Israel. As to Ethiopian Jews, I met one of them just last week. She was an officer in the IDF and is completing an engineering degree at the Technion.


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                                      We shall not and therefore, I'm not playing your game !!


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                                          Israeli liberal journalist Isak Letz has chronicled numerous instances of Orthodox Jewish groups becoming increasingly active in their opposition to Jews converting to Christianity, including violent acts against converts. These attacks often go unpunished by Israeli authorities.
                                          In general, Christian missionaries limit proselytism in Israel due to Christian Zionist beliefs, and many believe reports of proselytism made by Orthodox Jewish groups are exaggerated as a pretext to attack Christians in the region…
                                          A frequent complaint of Christian clergy in Israel is being spat at by Jews, often Haredi yeshiva students. Even Christian ceremonial processions have been alleged to have been spat at, with one incident near the Holy Sepulchre causing a fracas which led to the destruction of the Armenian Archbishop’s 17th-century cross.
                                          The Anti-Defamation League has called on the chief Rabbis to speak out against the interfaith assaults. One Christian complained that the spitting was “almost a daily experience.”.
                                          Clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem have said that they are all victims of harassment, and that while most incidents are ignored, when they complain, the police don’t usually find the perpetrators.
                                          Father Goosan, Chief Dragoman of the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem, stated that, “I know there are fanatical Haredi groups that don’t represent the general public, but it’s still enraging. It all begins with education. It’s the responsibility of these men’s yeshiva heads to teach them not to behave this way.
                                          In May 2008, hundreds of New Testaments were burned in Or Yehuda, Israel after having been collected by the Deputy Mayor who described the material as “Messianic propaganda” and then claimed that the books were burned by three Yeshiva students. In May 2009 a Russian orthodox church in Northern Israel was showered with stones thrown by yeshiva students, injuring many of the congregation.
                                          In 2009 a church in Israel was vandalized. Messages such as “We killed Jesus” and “Christians out” were written on it, as well as “Fuck off” which was adorned with a Star of David. Churchmen at the site also stated that the church doors are urinated on almost every day.
                                          In 2012 a Greek Orthodox Christian monastery near Jerusalem was defaced with “Death to Christians”, and “Greeks out” slogans. Jerusalem’s Christian community was said to feel increasingly under assault.

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                                              Christian centre torched in Jerusalem
                                              Israel News.Net Thursday 26th February, 2015
                                              A Christian seminary building in Jerusalem was torched and anti-Jesus slurs were spray-painted on its walls early Thursday in, what the police suspect, a hate crime attack by far-right Jews.
                                              A spokesperson for the fire services said firefighters arrived at the scene near Jerusalem's Old City at around 4 a.m. and extinguished the blaze, Xinhua news agency reported.
                                              No injuries were reported but the building, which belongs to the Greek-Orthodox church, was damaged. Racist graffiti were spray-painted on a wall.
                                              The building is situated on Mount Zion across from the Old City, one of the areas most prone to the so-called "price tag" attacks.
                                              Dozens of hate crimes by Israeli extremists have taken place in the area, including assaults and spitting attacks on Christian clergymen and vandalism of churches, cars and tombs.
                                              "Price tags" are attacks perpetrated by far-right Jews against Palestinians' property or religious sites, including mosques and Christian churches, in response to Palestinian violence or, alternatively, to Israeli government moves that are perceived as a threat to the expansion of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
                                              The latest incident came a day after a mosque in the West Bank village of Jab'aa near Bethlehem was set on fire. According to Palestinian reports, settlers entered the mosque overnight and sprayed hate graffiti on the walls, including "Revenge" and "We want redemption of Zion".

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                                        Right on Caroline ! Man, are you on the mark.



                                          Looking for the Light on the Hill: Modern Labor’s Challenges...By Troy Bramston

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                                          18 NOVEMBER 2011
                                          Labor’s search for meaning needs to go beyond the failures of the post-1996 party, writes Frank Bongiorno
                                          Part of the problem? Portraits of former Labor prime ministers Bob Hawke and Paul Keating (above) at Parliament House, Canberra.
                                          Photo: Bentley Smith/ Flickr
                                          By Troy Bramston 
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                                          UNTIL the early months of 2010, any author approaching a publisher with a proposal to write a book about a crisis in the Australian Labor Party would have had difficulty gaining a hearing. As recently as the period between November 2007 and September 2008, Labor had been in office federally and in all eight states and territories. The most senior Liberal public office-holder in the country was probably the lord mayor of Brisbane. John Howard had been succeeded by Brendan Nelson, who made way for Malcolm Turnbull, who was in turn defeated by Tony Abbott. There was a thriving industry in books about the Liberal Party’s bleak present and uncertain future.
                                          Yet Troy Bramston believes that Labor’s emerging crisis was perceptible even in the hour of victory. Early in his lively new book, Looking for the Light on the Hill: Modern Labor’s Challenges, he gives an account of the disappointment felt by many of the true believers at Kevin Rudd’s execrable election night victory speech in 2007. As Bramston adds pointedly, “it would be a sign of things to come.” Labor’s share of first-preference votes at that election, at around 43 per cent, was the second-lowest the party had ever attracted while still winning. For Bramston, this decline reflects the failures of “Labor’s lost decade” from 1996 until 2007, when it distanced itself from the successful Hawke and Keating legacy while neglecting party renewal. Labor’s crisis today, he says, is primarily one of identity and leadership. A once proud and well-led party animated by a clear sense of purpose has given way to a fearful and poorly led crew.
                                          Bramston’s views should be taken seriously. A Labor insider, he was employed as Rudd’s speechwriter during 2007 – although he was not the author of that election night speech – and he has also worked for many years as a staffer for other Labor MPs in both opposition and government. But unlike many of those who make careers in the offices of Labor politicians, Bramston also has a deep knowledge of party history. In this sense, he is a commentator in the best traditions of the NSW Labor Party, which has long seemed to take its history and traditions more seriously than state branches have elsewhere. Looking for the Light on the Hill is crammed with references to the party and leaders of yesteryear; in comparison, the modern party is often found to be wanting. This gives the book a slightly nostalgic quality, but one mitigated by Bramston’s conviction that party renewal means taking inspiration from the past rather than reliving it.
                                          Bramston’s method is to extract from Labor history what he sees as the essential and continuing goals, and then to argue for a reconstruction of the party’s mission around them. On the whole, a party that allowed itself to be guided by the renovated objective that Bramston outlines in his book would do Australia much good. It includes economic and social justice, environmental sustainability, equality of opportunity, nation-building, “creative and innovative diplomacy,” and the promotion of rights and liberties. And when he begins to explain how these broad goals might translate into specific policies, his commitment to a just and humane politics could not be clearer.
                                          All the same, there is too little sense here of the historical contingency of most definitions of what the Labor Party stands for. Bramston quotes Susan Ryan, the former Hawke government minister: “Why does Labor exist? It has only been in recent years that we have needed to ask the question. A generation ago, and right back to our founding at the end of the nineteenth century, we knew the meaning and purpose of Labor. Labor is a social-democratic party.” But there were remarkably few true believers who would have thought to call Labor a “social-democratic party” before the 1970s. In the Australian context, “social democracy” seems to have emerged around then or a little later as a way of distinguishing the ambitious program of the Whitlam government – its gestures towards universalism in welfare provision and its embrace of the concerns of the new social movements, for instance – from old-style Labor’s supposedly narrower concern with how many “bob” a man got in his pay packet.
                                          Similarly, most Labor people would not until recently have called themselves “centre-left.” I can’t remember hearing this term until the last few years and presume it is of fairly recent – and probably British or North American – coinage. Even “progressive,” another word Bramston favours, was probably insignificant until recently. It was used by the Victorian Labor Party, which called itself the “Progressive Political League” for a couple of years in the 1890s, but Victorian Labor was at that stage essentially a wing of the Liberal Party. Western Australian Labor also used it briefly, but it might not have been widely applied to the Labor Party again until it was picked up by Australian admirers of Tony Blair and the Third Way in the late 1990s.
                                          IN ITS British context, the term was intended to present New Labour as the heir to the best traditions of English liberalism, with Blair as a latter-day Gladstone. In Australia, “progressive” has more often functioned as a means by which the Labor right, especially in New South Wales, could identify itself as something more noble than a machine for dispensing jobs and favours or a pathway into the lucrative world of private sector employment. “Part of the problem with Labor,” former NSW and national party secretary Karl Bitar told Bramston, “is that by the time many of our politicians and officials reach senior positions of power, they are no longer driven by the core policy values which brought them to be involved in politics in the first place.” Bitar is now employed as a lobbyist for James Packer’s gambling empire.
                                          For at least a decade, Bramston has been a persistent critic of Labor’s socialisation objective – that is, of its formal commitment to “the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.” He believes that the socialist objective should be dropped largely for two reasons. In the first place, socialism is a discredited ideal, and the socialisation objective no longer reflects the actual goals of party members. It is therefore a barrier to the kind of rethinking of its mission in which the party needs to engage. This position is defensible, although I also have sympathy with John Faulkner’s comment, quoted by Bramston: “It is a very long time since the socialist objective has won or lost Labor a vote in an election.” Most electors would not even know of the objective’s existence. As Bramston shows, Labor has quite a lot of problems at the moment; is it wise to alert the ignorant to something most see as an irrelevance?
                                          Bramston’s analogy with Tony Blair’s successful effort to remove the British Labour Party’s famous Clause IV seems to me off the mark. Adopted in 1918, not long before its Australian counterpart took on its socialisation objective, Clause IV committed the British Labour Party to the “common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.” The context of Blair’s 1994 assault on this goal was totally different from the situation faced by the Australian Labor Party today. The Conservatives had been in office for fifteen years, the Labour Party had moved well to the left, especially under Michael Foot, and there were concerns about radical groups within the party, such as the Militant Tendency, which had recently been active in the anti–poll tax campaign. It would be an exaggeration to call Blair’s success in persuading the party to discard Clause IV as a tragedy. But the attempt to repeat it in Australia in 2011 might well be a farce.
                                          Bramston also believes that the objective should be dropped because Labor is not and has never been a socialist party. But socialists have clearly been a presence in the Labor Party from the jump, and socialism made its mark on Labor’s way of viewing the world. Bramston is right to point out that there has always been much confusion about the meaning of socialism. But much the same might be said of “social liberalism,” “social democracy” and “labourism,” which he believes to form an amalgam that has constituted Labor philosophy over the last 120 years.
                                          Whatever else they have disagreed about, socialists have usually believed in a more equal society. It is striking that when Bramston discusses “equality” in this book he seems to be referring primarily to equality of opportunity, a goal that Tories in both Britain and Australia usually find themselves able to endorse. Yet until the 1980s, one of the guiding principles of the Labor Party was surely that a more equal society was better than a less equal one. Here was part of socialism’s legacy for Labor, whose goal of greater equality was more ambitious than mere meritocracy. But the idea of equality began to break down in the 1950s and 1960s as mass consumerism offered ever wider circles of people easier access to a large range of desirable goods. By the early 1970s, in the context of continuing affluence, Whitlam was defining equality as equal access to government services – a noble goal, but one that evaded the problem of inequalities that did not have their basis in unequal access to public goods. By the 1980s, Labor leaders such as Hawke and Keating were no longer at all interested in arguments about how the economic cake was divided up, so long as it was sufficiently large to ensure that enough crumbs fell the way of the disadvantaged, either “naturally” or with a little help from government.
                                          THAT was not the only “break” that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s. Labor’s strong support for White Australia gave way to non-discrimination and Asian engagement. Labor’s hard nationalism was replaced by a softer version closely aligned with multiculturalism. The party’s traditional support for the patriarchal family sustained by a male breadwinner’s wage gave way to acceptance and then an embrace of double-income families and gender equality. The traditional Labor preference for public ownership of major utilities and enterprises was superseded by a mania for privatisation. Support for high levels of spending gave way to austerity and balanced budgets. A powerful strain of sexual puritanism and moral conservatism decayed in the face of a rights agenda that may well soon extend to gay couples wishing to marry.
                                          Like Bramston, I welcome many if not all of these changes. But my point is that if we are to find an answer to why a prime minister with the intellect of Kevin Rudd quickly found himself all over the shop, or why a politician as accomplished as Julia Gillard cannot find a register in which to address the nation, or why the Labor Party for the last generation has been unable to build up a coherent narrative about where it wishes to take the country, we might well need to look beyond the failures of the post-1996 Labor Party. We need to look harder at those dramatic changes in the very era of Labor achievement that Bramston celebrates. They have combined with deindustrialisation and globalisation to detach Labor from those 40 per cent of voters who used to stick by it hail, rain or shine.
                                          Bramston nonetheless offers an astute diagnosis of the ills afflicting the modern Labor Party, as well as some ways in which the party might set about trying to resolve its problems. On some matters, such as his advocacy of a parliamentary leader elected by rank-and-file members (along the lines of arrangements in the British Labour Party I discussed in Inside Story in August 2010), he moves well beyond the recommendations of the review carried out after the last federal election by John Faulkner, Bob Carr and Steve Bracks. He opposes a close relationship with the Greens; the compact the Gillard government signed with them is for him both a symptom and a cause of the identity crisis.
                                          On the relationship of the party to the union movement, he is more cautious than Rodney Cavalier, who wants a massive reduction in union power so as to end union control of Labor. Bramston argues for retaining affiliated unions and even expanding union involvement in the party by providing, for example, more opportunities for unaffiliated bodies to participate. He does recognise that any significant effort to empower ordinary party members will come up against the obstruction of powerful vested interests, such as union bosses, faction leaders, sitting MPs and those who eventually wish to take their places. But he doesn’t really offer a way around this problem. Perhaps his failure to do so is consistent with his position that internal party reform matters less than sorting out the serious deficits in leadership and identity.
                                          In this, Bramston is perhaps a creature of his culture and our time. Labor was founded as a radical democratic party; so much so that the first NSW Labor caucus didn’t even choose a leader, preferring a committee of management. The Labor Party has venerated its leaders but also been highly suspicious of them. Yet Bramston looks to the party leadership, not to the rank and file, for a solution to the problem of identity.
                                          This is all quite understandable, for the rank and file is almost gone. But it might be that a party that needs to look to its leaders – professional politicians – for a sense of who it is, what it wants, and where it’s going, has already lost the battle. •
                                          Frank Bongiorno teaches history at the Australian National University.
                                          This article has been amended to include a correction in the reference to Rodney Cavalier (see author's note below).

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                                          TACTICAL responses to insurgencies by the conventional armed forces of democratic states, and the ethical challenges of fighting an enemy that uses civilians as human shields and as targets, are topics of obvious relevance to Australian foreign ­policy and contemporary inter­national affairs.
                                          I was invited to address these issues at the University of Sydney from the standpoint of my experiences as a commander of British forces in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Northern Ireland, Iraq and elsewhere, and as the former head of international terrorism intelligence in the British Cabinet Office for the Joint Intelligence Committee and the national crisis management group, COBRA. As well as being a practitioner, I have studied and written extensively about these matters.
                                          I spoke for about 20 minutes to an audience of about 100 students, academics and guests. A group of about a dozen people then stormed into the lecture theatre and started yelling at me and the audience through a megaphone, accusing me of “supporting genocide”, and trying to shut down the lecture.
                                          The protesters occupied the lecture theatre, intimidated members of the audience and were intent on preventing the exchange of views my lecture was intended to facilitate. Two of the academics then joined them, one of whom I saw badgering an elderly woman who objected to him photographing her on his iPhone. When she tried to push the iPhone out of her face he grabbed her arm forcibly, and appeared to hurt her. When she retaliated physically, the academic — an associate professor — waved a $5 note in her face and the face of a Jewish student.
                                          I heard one of the protesters yell support for the Islamist group Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a vile group that is banned in many countries, whose theo-fascist values seem to me entirely at odds with the progressive values these students claim to support.
                                          I have addressed the UN commission of inquiry on the conduct of the parties to the Israel-Hamas war. I have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation and recognised the extraordinary measures to which Israel has gone to avoid civilian casualties when faced with an enemy that militarises civilian infrastructure and shields its fighters with the bodies of the civilians it claims to defend. US General Martin Dempsey, the highest ranking officer in the US Army, sent a fact-finding team to Israel and concluded the US ­forces had lessons to learn from the measures taken by Israel to spare the lives of Palestinian civilians as far as possible, often at the expense of its own soldiers.
                                          By daring to defend the actions of the Jewish state and condemning Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, both designated terrorist organisations, I was considered fair game for the protesters. This is indicative of a pervasive culture among certain sections of university students and staff in Britain, and clearly in Australia, where to speak objectively about Israel is to court harassment, thuggery and violence. The behaviour of the protesters and the academics was an affront to the core ideals of the university — the freedom to speak, the freedom to assemble and the freedom to engage with ideas and opinions.
                                          This protest had clear anti-­Semitic undertones. The audience was predominantly Jewish and the protesters knew that. Often anti-Semitic abuse and ­hatred is dressed up as anti-Israel or anti-Zionist action. This resonated that way, with vicious shouting and intimidation against a group of Jews and brandishing money around invoking the stereotype of the “greedy Jew”.
                                          As for Associate Professor Jake Lynch, shown to be so adept at conflict with an elderly woman, his value to the university and its students would be enhanced by listening to those who have seen real conflict and have risked their lives to secure peace.
                                          Richard Kemp was commander of British Forces in Afghanistan and headed the international terrorism intelligence team at the British Cabinet Office.

                                          LYNCH, Borecki LETTERS 19/3 - Peace centre farrago

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                                          YOUR readers have been misled over events at the meeting at Sydney University with Richard Kemp (“Protesters disown their university values”, 17/3). Contrary to accounts given initially in the Jewish press, I took no part in the demonstration that halted proceedings for about 15 minutes, though I understand its motives.
                                          Neither did I at any point “scream” at anyone. When I showed banknotes to one of those attending it was in an attempt to convey to her that, if she did not stop physically attacking me and my wife, I would sue her for assault. The video evidence now in the public domain entirely supports the account I have given all along.
                                          This whole farrago is a classic case of apologists for Israeli war crimes blaming the victim making it an uncannily accurate microcosm of the conflict as a whole.
                                          Jake Lynch, director, Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies, University of Sydney, NSW
                                          I ATTENDED the lecture by Richard Kemp at Sydney University and felt intimidated and threatened by the Socialist Alliance protesters and wacky university lecturers who arrogantly took over the lecture theatre for the sake of their political egos.
                                          There is no doubt that these extremists intended to disrupt the lecture as they bombastically entered chanting slogans with a megaphone.
                                          Everyone in the lecture theatre felt violated by this unruly rabble. Unfortunately they were determined to veto free speech and were not interested in dialogue or an exchange of views — unless they were the only ones who could speak.
                                          It is such a shame because this guest speaker was going to open up the floor for questions. Instead, we were bombarded with a megaphone of mindless, childish rhyming chants.
                                          Eric Borecki, Bellevue Hill, NSW

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                                          Contrary to your report that “vice-chancellors are united in their condemnation of Senate crossbenchers for rejecting the government’s higher education reform package”, I am one vice-chancellor who is not disappointed that the legislation to introduce full-fee deregulation did not pass the Senate (“Senators failed us but there’s hope: unis”, 19/3).
                                          UTS has consistently said that moves to unbridled full-fee deregulation could have a negative effect on equity of access to university. These reforms need close examination; the Senate is right to call for that.
                                          The Senate position reflects the high value the community places on higher education and the concerns I share with students about safeguarding all that makes ours a fair system.
                                          Unlike any other time I can remember, we have a minister dedicated to reform, an opposition and a crossbench committed to a high-quality, affordable and accessible university sector — and students, industry and the community engaged in the discussion.
                                          We now have a golden opportunity to work together to find a model for a sustainable and affordable system that will improve prosperity and wellbeing for all.
                                          Attila Brungs, vice-chancellor, University of Technology, Sydney
                                          University’s values
                                          BY aggressively disrupting a public lecture by Richard Kemp at Sydney University (“Protesters disown their university values”, 17/3), demonstrators deliberately denied the values that universities should stand for — freedom of speech, tolerance of ideas and pursuit of knowledge. And all this encouraged by Jake Lynch, director of the Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies at the university.
                                          The university felt compelled to suspend Barry Spurr for his choice of language in private correspondence, so it should demand Lynch’s resignation for bringing the university into disrepute.
                                          Sarah Kalus, Toorak, Vic
                                          JAKE Lynch says that “When I showed banknotes to one of those attending it was in an attempt to convey to her that, if she did not stop physically attacking me and my wife, I would sue her for assault.”
                                          Who do you think you are kidding, Professor Lynch? You are quite aware of the time the Jew-hating actor Vanessa Redgrave was speaking in Los Angeles in 1977 when one protester waved a fistful of dollars and shouted, “Who is willing to rid the world of a Jew-baiter?” It has been a common insult to those of Jewish faith in Europe and Britain ever since.
                                          Chris Moore, Maylands, WA
                                          Elected thanks to Obama
                                          ISRAELI Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s electoral victory contained a powerful message to the US from the rest of the world (“Bibi declares historic poll win”, 19/3).
                                          The Israeli people told US President Barack Obama in no uncertain terms that if an ally — in this case Israel — cannot feel confident with the support of an important and close ally, then they will not take the risk and elect a leader who may endanger their security by adopting a softer stance on international issues.
                                          Since coming to power, Obama’s foreign policy has been to sideline the US’s friends and appease its enemies; the lack of confidence this imbues has made the world a much more dangerous place.
                                          Alan Freedman, St Kilda East, Vic

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                                          David Thodey, James Packer sign on for Square Peg venture

                                          Telstra CEO David Thodey giving Henbury School $10,000 on his last day in the job.
                                          Retiring Telstra CEO David Thodey will join James Packer at Square Peg Capital. Source: News Corp Australia
                                          Retiring Telstra chief executive David Thodey plans to join billionaire James Packer in working with the Paul Bassat-led venture capital firm, Square Peg Capital, to pursue more investments in Israel.
                                          The company intends to spend $US150 million ($193m) over the next three to five years in venture and growth-stage online and technology companies.
                                          Square Peg last week took a delegation of 40 leading Australian technology entrepreneurs, ­investors and executives together representing more than $US150 billion in value to Tel Aviv and ­Jerusalem to learn about the Israeli hi-tech industry.
                                          The delegation included Mr Packer and Mr Thodey as well as Rob Rankin, the chief executive of Mr Packer’s Consolidated Press Holdings; Evans & Partner founder David Evans; Carsales chief Greg Roebuck; Seek boss Andrew Bassat; Square Peg backer Justin Liberman, and his cousin Josh ­Liberman.
                                          UBS Australia chief executive Matthew Grounds and Stockland director Carol Schwartz are also investors in Square Peg.
                                          During the trip the firm ­announced its fourth investment in an Israeli company, leading a $8.1m Series B equity raising for technology firm JethroData, in partnership with existing investor Pitango Venture Capital.
                                          Square Peg’s other Israeli ­investments over the past year have been in early-stage storage and database softwear technology businesses, the first being Feed­visor, the world’s first algorithmic pricing and business intelligence platform for online retailers.
                                          Mr Packer, who has bought a property in Tel Aviv and divides his time between the Israeli capital and the US, said he was keen to do more with Mr Bassat and Square Peg in the Israeli tech scene. He also does business in ­Israel with Hollywood film producer Arnon Milchan. “The trip has strongly reinforced my view of the investment opportunities and incredible tech ecosystem in Israel,” Mr Packer toldThe Australian from Tel Aviv. “I am in Israel meeting new people and Paul (Bassat) is certainly someone I want to do more with, but we are just wetting our feet here.”
                                          The delegation met Iscar chairman Eitan Wertheimer, who ­recently sold 20 per cent of his company to US investment legend Warren Buffett for $US2bn.
                                          It also met Check Point founder Gil Shwed, leading hi-tech founders of Waze, Outbrain and ironSource, as well as many other entrepreneurs, government officials, investors, incubators and ­accelerators, including the president of the Weizmann Institute, Daniel Zajfman.
                                          The trip was the first to Israel by Mr Thodey, who is looking to his life after Telstra when he retires as chief executive in August. He took the trip in a private capacity.
                                          “I’ve always wanted to come here from a technology perspective and to understand what has driven such innovation,” he said.
                                          Mr Thodey is not yet an investor in Square Peg but says he has “always had a lot of time for” the group. “I really admire what they are doing. Paul and Andrew (Bassat) are reinvesting back into the sector. If there is some way I could help them, whether it is financial or not, I would like to,” he said.
                                          Mr Thodey stressed he would not make any decisions on his ­future until the end of the year. But he added: “A big part of what I would like to be involved in is ­investing in start-ups and using the experience I have had to help companies get established, both ­financially and non-financially.”
                                          Mr Thodey also met Mr Packer during his time in Tel Aviv. “David Thodey and I had a proper catch-up, which was great as I think he did a terrific job at Telstra,” Mr Packer said. Mr Thodey said the billionaire had “seen the incredible opportunity of what they call the ‘start-up nation’. He is keen to be a part of that.”
                                          Evans & Partners founder David Evans, a Square Peg investor, said the start-up culture in ­Israel had “also been helped by a culture ‘that’s it’s OK to fail’.
                                          “And second and third-time entrepreneurs get encouraged and embraced,” he said. Since its launch almost three years ago, Square Peg Capital has spent tens of millions of dollars on more than 20 investments in a range of start-up companies, largely in Australia.
                                          They include taxi booking app goCatch, global ad data venture Standard Media Index, travel website Wego, US e-commerce group Shipping Easy and online beauty products supplier Bellabox.
                                          It also took a stake in digital marketing company Rokt with News Corp’s Lachlan Murdoch, Hong Kong hedge fund manager John Ho and Greg Roebuck. Rokt is run by former Jetstar chief executive Bruce Buchanan.
                                          Square Peg co-founder Dan Krasnostein moved to Tel Aviv last year to lead expansion plans. Former Cisco executive Arad Naveh has also joined Square Peg as a venture partner based in Israel. Paul Bassat said the firm was keen to build a successful business in Israel and wanted to build its network. “We have met entrepreneurs into their fourth and fifth ventures. There is a real can-do mentality and energy around solving really significant problems.”
                                          Earlier this month Mr Bassat, who is also a Wesfarmers director, spent a week in Silicon Valley.
                                          “There is a similarity in Israel to what is happening in the valley. People have an enormous ability to create a lot without a lot of resources.’’
                                          Square Peg is also backed by investors such as Tony Holt, Barry Brott, Gavin Appel and Justin and David Liberman, who are not ­related.
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                                          David Thodey, outgoing chief exectutive of Telstra. Picture: Mark Cranitch. Source: News Corp Australia
                                          Telstra’s vaunted in-house ­venture capital team plans to sharpen its focus on investment opportunities in Israel, according to chief executive David Thodey.
                                          The applications and ventures group, founded by Mr Thodey in 2011, now has 16 investments. This year, it led a $12 million Series B funding round for Israeli mobile security company Zimperium.
                                          Other backers of the raising ­included Japan’s Toyo Corporation and existing investors Sierra Ventures, Lazarus Israel Opportunities Fund and Samsung.
                                          At the time, Mark Sherman, managing director of Telstra ­Ventures, said the investment represented “an opportunity for Telstra to acquire a stake in an emerging company with a unique solution to the problem of ­advanced cybersecurity attacks on mobile devices”.
                                          Telstra is a customer of Zim­perium and the funding is being used to scale Zimperium’s operations and support its rapidly ­growing customer base.
                                          “Obviously one of the big growth areas is network and ­cybersecurity. We work with Checkpoint already, which is a big Israeli company, and source a lot of software from Israel,” Mr ­Thodey said.
                                          He said the ventures group, which has offices in Australia and Silicon Valley, was looking at other investments in Israel.
                                          “The ventures group is back in Israel in a month doing more due diligence. The group is about getting insights into the technology and looking at how we can use the product internally ourselves ... For Australia, we need to be more ­focused on driving innovation and entrepreneurship.”

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                                          The tweet from James Howarth.
                                          The tweet from James Howarth. Source: TheAustralian
                                          A Brisbane financial adviser has refused to apologise for a stream of abusive tweets in which he calls Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg a “tinkering Jew” and a “central planning Jew”.
                                          The principal of Retirement Wealth Advisers, James Howarth, attacked the MP on Twitter yesterday for supporting a proposal on the remuneration of life insurance sales staff that would cut large upfront commissions for financial advisers.
                                          “What a cock sucker. First course of action was to regulate insurance salaries. Tinkering Jew,” Mr Howarth tweeted to his 5855 followers.
                                          “Slap stick comedy Jew Frydenberg stars in Deregulating Regulator Regulating,” another tweet read.
                                          Another says: “Get your Josh Frydenberg ‘Central Planning Jew’ punching bag ...”
                                          Mr Howarth told The Australian he stood by his “right to free speech” and ability to “defend” his rights.
                                          Mr Frydenberg, who is Jewish, said he blocked Mr Howarth on Twitter after receiving the stream of abuse. “This nasty, personal and ­derogatory language is not becoming of a financial adviser, let alone anyone else, and is completely over the top,” he said yesterday.
                                          The changes — first proposed by the life insurance industry — would cap controversial advance commissions to 60 per cent of a policy’s premium in the first year. Upfront commissions on retail life insurance have been as high as 120 per cent but advisers would face a commission cap of 20 per cent on life insurance premiums. under the proposals.
                                          According to his LinkedIn profile, Mr Howarth spent six years as an equity analyst at international investment bank Goldman Sachs.
                                          Asked whether it was necessary to voice these concerns using derogatory language and with reference to race and religion, Mr Howarth responded: “Yes I stand by my comments.”

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                                          Confusion surrounds new Beth Din

                                          Rabbi Zvi Telsner. Photo: AJN fileRabbi Zvi Telsner. Photo: AJN file
                                          WHEN is a new Beth Din not a new Beth Din? When it is launched online.
                                          The Mehadr Beis Din Tribunal announced on its website that it would start functioning in August with judges Yeshivah Centre’s Rabbi Zvi Hirsch Telsner, Melbourne Beth Din’s Rabbi Yacov Barber, Rabbi Shabsi Tayar and Rabbi Mendel Kaminetsky.
                                          The website stated that going to a Beth Din will often save the litigants a lot of money and allows them to achieve finality within a more efficient and accurate framework.
                                          “Additionally, Jews are expected to solve their disputes at a Din Torah and should only go to the court as a last resolve,” the site said.
                                          The Beth Din’s website also questions the benefit of going to court.
                                          “Court is not designed to resolve disputes, nor is it about justice.
                                          “Court is there to interpret and apply the letter of the law, to pass judgement, make orders and/or impose a penalty.
                                          “Often neither party is satisfied with the result and the real dispute escalates as a result.”
                                          But within days the names of the rabbis were removed and two of the rabbis were distancing themselves from the organisation.
                                          Rabbi Telsner initially told The AJN last week that he believed the Beth Din was needed to deal with monetary issues but on Monday backtracked and said: “I don’t need this and I won’t be a part of it.”
                                          Rabbi Barber said he was interested in offering a service to allow people to settle disputes without going to court and incurring excessive amounts of legal fees, but said he didn’t realise it was a fully fledged Beth Din when he agreed to join.
                                          Stating he was surprised to see his name and photo on the website, he said, “I am still interested in pursuing and establishing appropriate means of dispute resolution that will be in accordance with halachah for the wider community.”
                                          “I am at present in discussion with various groups and organisations who are equally passionate about establishing such a process.”
                                          Rabbis Tayar, who said he started the website, said the names of the rabbis were taken down when they changed their mind about being involved in the new Beth Din.
                                          The website remains online, however the countdown to the “Beis Din Grand Opening” have been removed.
                                          Rabbi Kaminetsky was unavailable for comment.
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                                          THE OZ - Nov 9 2014 Bob Carr an opportunist over Israel-Palestine issue, says Josh Frydenberg

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                                          Carr has ‘obsession’ with Palestine
                                          Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg has savaged Former foreign minister Bob Carr’s patronage of Labor Friends of Palestine. Source: News Corp Australia
                                          LIBERAL MP Josh Frydenberg has savaged Bob Carr’s patronage of Labor Friends of Palestine, branding the “lazy” former foreign minister an “opportunist” and a “dilettante”.
                                          Mr Carr’s decision to take up a prominent role for a new ALP group pressing for Palestinian statehood comes almost 40 years after Mr Carr launched Labor Friends of Israel with Bob Hawke, believing then that “Arabs were terrorists”.
                                          Mr Carr, premier of NSW for a decade before his stint as a federal minister, said Israel had changed and accused fanatics in the country’s government of promoting “apartheid”.
                                          “It has become virtually impossible for the centre-left in politics to maintain support for the ‘ethno-nationalists’ who are now opposed to a Palestinian state and back expansion of Jewish settlements in occupied territories,” he said. “Social democrats find this impossible to live with.”
                                          Mr Frydenberg, parliamentary secretary to Tony Abbott, this morning savaged both Mr Carr’s new appointment and his political record during an interview on Sky News’s Australian Agenda.
                                          “This grandstanding by Bob Carr is all about him. It’s nothing more than an obsession on Bob Carr’s part,” Mr Frydenberg, the government’s only Jewish MP, said.
                                          “He is a real opportunist. He’s been silent as we’ve seen ISIL or ISIS go ahead and engage in beheadings in Iraq and Syria and butchery and genocide but he’s just obsessed with the Israel-Palestinian issue and I just think it’s because he’s got relevance deprivation syndrome.”
                                          Mr Frydenberg accused Mr Carr of being a “lazy” and “a dilettante” as foreign minister.
                                          “I agree with Julia Gillard,’’ Mr Frydenberg said. “Bob Carr should never have been appointed foreign minister. He was lazy and he did nothing in that job,” Mr Frydenberg said.
                                          “I also agree with Julie Bishop that Bob Carr is a dilettante as we saw through his diaries, talking about his steel abs and his preference for first class pyjamas on his tours and trips around the world where he pretended to be Australia’s foreign minister.”
                                          Mr Frydenberg denied the government was under pressure to recognise the state of Palestine, as Sweden did last month.
                                          “Tony Abbott has proven himself to be a steadfast friend of Israel and that’s because he understands that Israel is a democracy and understands Australia’s values,” Mr Frydenberg said.

                                          THE OZ - NOV 8 2014 Patron Carr pivots from Israel to Palestine

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                                          JULIA  Gillard’s former foreign minister Bob Carr has agreed to be the patron of Labor Friends of Palestine after accusing fanatics in ­Israel’s government of promoting “apartheid” — a move likely to ­infuriate sections of Australia’s Jewish community.
                                          The decision to take up a prominent role for a new ALP group pressing for Palestinian statehood comes almost 40 years after Mr Carr launched Labor Friends of Israel with Bob Hawke, believing then that “Arabs were terrorists”. Mr Carr, premier of NSW for a decade before his stint as a federal minister, said Israel had changed.
                                          His reversal of allegiance was prompted by his revulsion for an “apartheid” policy within Israel’s government as it fostered one set of racially based laws for the Jewish minority — and an inferior set for the Palestinian majority.
                                          “It has become virtually impossible for the centre-left in politics to maintain support for the ‘ethno-nationalists’ who are now opposed to a Palestinian state and back expansion of Jewish settlements in occupied territories,” he said. “Social democrats find this impossible to live with.”
                                          As Ms Gillard’s foreign minister in October 2012, Mr Carr led a cabinet and caucus revolt when the then Labor prime minister was determined to oppose a Palestinian bid for upgraded status in the UN. Eventually accepting she lacked a majority, Mr Gillard was forced into a humiliating backdown and Australia abstained from the UN vote.
                                          Mr Carr wrote in his book Diary of a Foreign Minister, released in April, that Ms Gillard’s office had subcontracted out Middle Eastern policymaking to the wealthy and powerful Jewish lobby in Melbourne, which had infiltrated her government. In July he moved a motion from the floor of the NSW Labor conference, carried on ­voices with support from the ALP Left and Right, which committed the state party to a more pro-­Palestinian position. Mr Carr saidhis view was part of a worldwide trend that included conservatives and long-time supporters of Israel. He gave last month’s House of Commons vote endorsing recognition of Palestine, and recognition by Sweden, as examples.
                                          Slotted into Ms Gillard’s ministry after Kevin Rudd quit to wrestle back the prime ministership, the former foreign minister said he was approached by rank-and-file party members to be patron of the fledgling Labor Friends of Palestine. He revealed his decision last night during an address to the Australian Friends of Palestine Association. Mr Carr said his “epiphany” on the changes in Israel occurred when he met a Christian volunteer who had gone to occupied territories to escort Palestinian children to school, and protect them from violence by ­Israeli settlers.
                                          He still counted himself a friend of liberals in Israel, but it served the cause of a “just peace” to accept his new patron role.
                                          Settlements had doubled in the past 54 months, settlers would not move and the Israeli government would not force them to leave.
                                          Comparing Israel with pre-Mandela South Africa, Mr Carr said: “So an indefinite occupation morphs into the extremists’ goal of a Greater Israel. With one catch — it will have two classes of citizen. ‘A term used about another country on another continent,’ Ehud Barak told me when I, as foreign minister, discussed this very ­dilemma. The word is apartheid of course.”

                                          THE OZ NOV 8 2014 Why I’m now a friend of Palestine rather than Israel

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                                          An ultra-Orthodox Jewish boy passes building work in a Jewish settlement in Jerusalem’s mainly Palestinian eastern sector. Source: AFP
                                          PENNANT Hills Golf Club in Sydney is an unusual place for an epiphany on the changes in Israel. Still, it was there I met a Christian volunteer who went to the occupied territories to escort Palestinian children to school, to protect them from verbal and physical ­violence by Israeli settlers.
                                          Violence against Arab kids? Christian volunteers to protect them? From Jewish settlers?
                                          None of this was around in 1977 when I rented a room in Sydney Trades Hall and called on Bob Hawke, ACTU president, to help me launch Labor Friends of Israel.
                                          In 1977 the Israeli occupation was 10 years old. There were 25,000 settlers. It was easy to believe the Israelis were holding the West Bank only as a bargaining chip. Arabs were terrorists.
                                          Now the occupation has lasted 47 years. There are 500,000 settlers. Up to 60 per cent of the Israeli cabinet is on record as opposing a two-state solution. Palestinians have been part of a peace process for 25 years.
                                          Israel has gone from secular to religious. The ultra-Orthodox and religious Zionists hold 30 of the 120 seats in the Knesset. It has gone from cosmopolitan to chauvinist, with some ministers ­espousing a brand of radical ­nationalism like that of France’s Le Pen or Austria’s Jorg Haider.
                                          “The symbol of Israel used to be the kibbutz,” says a friend in the British Labour Party. “It’s now the settlement.” They have doubled in the past 54 months alone. The Atlantic reported the Obama ­administration is deeply offended at how the Israelis use settlements to wreck any peace deal. Settlers won’t move. The Israeli government won’t force them. So an ­indefinite occupation morphs into the extremists’ goal of a Greater Israel.
                                          With one catch. It will have two classes of citizen.
                                          “A term used about another country on another continent”, Ehud Barak told me when I as foreign minister discussed this very dilemma. The word is apartheid, of course, used by another former prime minister, Ehud Olmert, and the only word that can be applied if, within one nation, there is one set of laws for one race and an inferior set for the other — the other being the majority.
                                          Barack Obama says that if settlement expansion keeps growing he can’t manage the fallout for Israel. That fallout has begun, with Sweden joining 138 nations that have already recognised Palestine and Britain’s House of Commons endorsing recognition. In the British debate, Richard Ottaway, a Conservative and long-term supporter of Israel, ­declared, “If they are losing ­people like me, they will be losing a lot of people.”
                                          He and others in centrist politics have been sickened by religious fanatics standing on seized Palestinian land declaring that God gave them Judea and Samaria, and the Arabs are inferior anyway. Sickened by the routine violence of the settlers, serious enough to warrant front-page treatment in that voice of the US foreign policy establishment, Foreign Affairs: settlers smashing the windows of Palestinian flats to drive families out, uprooting the date and olive trees on Palestinian farms, spraying graffiti on ­churches and mosques.
                                          In 1977 the Palestine Liberation Organisation was blowing up planes. Now for 25 years Palestinians have been committed to a neg­otiated solution, most recently to a demilitarised state with the presence of a US-led NATO force on the West Bank and East ­Jerusalem.
                                          In 1977 when we launched Labor Friends of Israel we knew, to our disgrace, none of their narrative. Now Israeli historians — this is a measure of Israel’s openness — have gone to the archives of their army to tell the full story of how massacres were used during the foundation of Israel in 1948 to drive out 700,000 Palestinians. The credibility of historian Benny Morris is confirmed when he declares he agreed with the policy and thinks David Ben-Gurion should have gone further until there were no Palestinians left.
                                          Where do Palestinians stand now? Gideon Levy wrote in the Israeli newspaperHaaretz that it leaves them living with mass arrests (760 in a recent sweep, 260 of them children) expulsions, demolitions. A former head of Shin Bet (Israel’s ASIO) said in the 2012 documentary The Gatekeepers that his paratrooper son invaded Nablus two or three times. He asked, “Did this bring us victory? I don’t think so.”
                                          This week 100 ex-generals, senior police and a former head of Mossad issued a letter urging Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to negotiate with “moderate Arab states and with the Palestinians (in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as one)”. They know a two-state solution will not be perfect but preferable.
                                          Permanent occupation means Israelis get cast as Afrikaners and the world will recognise Palestine and isolate Israel.
                                          After all, the alternative would be unthinkable: to accept colonial rule with one religious and racial group enjoying the vote, the majority denied it.
                                          From the writers of The West Wing came this. Discussing Gaza and the West Bank, a White House adviser says to another, “Revolutionaries will outlast and out-die occupiers every time.” No other colonial rule has survived, let alone with rich settlers on fortified hilltops with Los Angeles lawns, the wretched huddled in the gullies, their 12-year-old kids subject to military arrest and ­detention.
                                          We have politely pitched the case for Palestinian statehood as creating security for Israel. But in view of the settlements and settler violence, I now pitch the case in terms of the rights of the Palestinian people, recognised in international law and every draft peace statement supported by the world for a quarter of a century.
                                          Palestinians must commit to non-violent resistance, not a third intifada. They must build international support. They must engage with the righteous Jews who condemn the takeover of Zionism by the fanatics.
                                          Forty years ago I signed up to be president of Labor Friends of Israel; I still count myself a friend of the liberals in that country but it serves the cause of a just peace better by me this week becoming patron of Labor Friends of Palestine.
                                          Bob Carr is a former NSW premier and foreign minister. This is part of an address he gave to the Australian Friends of Palestine Association in Adelaide last night.

                                          THE OZ - SEPT 22 2014 Replacing Rudd with work-shy Carr compounded a mistake: Gillard

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                                          Carr for Rudd a mistake: Gillard
                                          Julia Gillard tells Ray Martin she had no choice but to give Kevin Rudd the consolation prize of foreign minister.Source: Channel 9
                                          JULIA Gillard has opened raw wounds in the Labor Party by declaring that she compounded the mistake of appointing Kevin Rudd as foreign minister by replacing him in the role with former NSW premier Bob Carr.
                                          These are among a number of crucial errors she professes to have made as prime minister after toppling Mr Rudd in 2010.
                                          She has told veteran interviewer Ray Martin that she had no choice but to give Mr Rudd the consolation prize of foreign minister when Labor’s 2010 re-election campaign was destabilised by internal leaks, blamed on the former prime minister or his supporters.
                                          “She felt she had no choice, but it was a huge mistake,’’ Martin told The Australian, previewing what he describes as the most candid interview he has conducted with a former prime minister. “For a moment it stopped the leaks, she said … but then they came back in the second term.’’
                                          The interview, to be aired tomorrow night by the Nine Network, has the potential to revive the bitterness that consumed the ALP in government under Ms Gillard until she finally lost the leadership to Mr Rudd on his second challenge in June last year.
                                          Ms Gillard insists she would have “out-campaigned” Tony Abbott had she lasted as prime minister, but she does not claim that Labor would have won last year’s September 7 election.
                                          Mr Rudd quit as foreign minister when he launched his first, unsuccessful bid to reclaim the top job in February 2012 and was succeeded by Mr Carr, who had been approached by Ms Gillard to come out of political retirement and enter the Senate through a casual vacancy.
                                          But, in one of the major surprises in the Martin interview, Ms Gillard accuses Mr Carr of being work-shy. “She certainly makes it clear that he didn’t like hard work,’’ Martin said. “He said to her at one stage that: ‘I didn’t realise I was so settled in my retirement.’ When he came back, she found he just wasn’t up for the pace of the job … she thinks it was a mistake dragging him out of retirement.’’
                                          Ms Gillard cites as another error her attempt to put Labor’s floundering 2010 campaign back on track by declaring that she would place the “real Julia’’ front and centre. This happened five days before she met Mr Rudd to reach the grudging accommodation that led to him becoming foreign minister.
                                          “She puts her hand up to a lot of mistakes,’’ Martin says.
                                          Until now, Ms Gillard has refused to give her account of the night she went after Mr Rudd’s job on June 23, 2010. However, he broke his silence to The Australian’seditor-at-large, Paul Kelly, for his well-received book on the saga of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd governments, Triumph and Demise, published last month.
                                          In an extract from the Martin interview transcript, released by Nine to News Corp Australia Sunday newspapers, Ms Gillard admits to wrongly giving Mr Rudd the impression he could have survived as PM in 2010, something she still had a “sense of self-recrimination over’’.
                                          “The reputation I have from that night is one of political brutality,’’ she admits. “Actually, in the moment, I was hesitant. A conversation went on for too long … I certainly fed (Mr Rudd) hope. I shouldn’t have done that.’’
                                          Mr Rudd was approached for comment last night, but was not available. Mr Carr could not be contacted. He resigned from the Senate in October last year, despite winning his spot at the election won by the Coalition under Mr Abbott.
                                          Martin said Ms Gillard also offers warm insight into her relationship with her partner, Tim Mathieson.
                                          “Tim kept not just her feet on the ground, but gave her that sense of normal when she would come home and have a bath or a glass of wine … he was more than her rock … he was a comfort zone in the midst of being beaten up by Abbott and Rudd and the Canberra press gallery,’’ Martin said.
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                                          Terry

                                          Terry
                                          After all this, Gillard cannot say "Sorry" to the Australian public who suffered and will continue to suffer, from the ramifications of her incompetence.
                                          JohnD

                                          JohnD
                                          I agree with JG, the appointment of Carr as foreign minister was a big mistake.  But what the hell,  Rudd and Carr were both disasters by any measure.  Mr Carr especially irked me with his anti Israeli policies and in rolling JG on this question.   But does this really deserve reporting in a serious newspaper.  Mr Martin and Ms Gillard are no longer relevant to national debate.  With a bit of luck the Abbott Government will generate enough respect and competence to rescue the nation from the abyss presented by Labor and the Greens.  Surely after Ms Milne's apologies for Islamic terrorists the nation can see that the Greens are anathema to democratic rule in Australia.
                                          benjamin

                                          benjamin
                                          Can we just forget her?
                                          Someone who cries misogyny/wolf disrespect the office, the people and woman in general. Just go home to Tim and all will be .......
                                          Vince

                                          Vince
                                          And here I was thinking she would fade into the sunset and live of her parliamentary pension, but more importantly not inflict herself on us.........wrong again clearly she is of the belief that she was better than we all know.
                                          Charles (DCC)

                                          Charles (DCC)
                                          So what did Gillard say when Martin asked her :

                                          What did you do to benefit Australian taxpayers?
                                          What happened to the budget surpluses?  
                                          Why did you take Industrial Relations back to WW2? 
                                          Why did you stack "Fair Work" with pseudo-legal union hacks?
                                          Why did you promote your former associate (who also left G&G under a cloud) to the high court?


                                          Julie

                                          Julie
                                          Didn't channel 9 monitor how many viewers switched channels the moment Julia appeared on screen while in government, why would they think this would be any different. Nothing could make me sit through an interview with Julia. 
                                          Janis

                                          Janis
                                          Gillard was the biggest mistake inflicted on Australia .

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          the problem with julia is that it was apparent that her priorities are:
                                          1: julia
                                          2: her poilitical agenda ...
                                          if you werent with her she was against you = not a PM for 'all people'.
                                          Crywolf

                                          Crywolf
                                          I wont be watching and therefore encouraging the likes of channel 9 and ray Martin to pay Gillard to launch her book. If i was interested in fantasy i would watch the sci-fi channel. Rather read about it all on the Australian tomorrow. Much better for the blood pressure. 
                                          Mark

                                          Mark
                                          She did such a great job out-campaigning Tony Abbott in the 2010 election, Labor lost their majority with the Liberal Party actually winning more seats. While she was PM there were Labor wipeouts in Queensland and NSW and all the polls pointed to Federal Labor sharing the same fate. She is completely delusional if she thinks she could have saved the furniture and it was obvious to the majority of her colleagues that the damage had been done and no amount of Gillard campaigning would have made any difference. In fact most public opinion showed that Australians were completely sick of seeing and hearing her and had she been PM through the election this would have made matters worse. After 6 years of Labor shambles is very refreshing to have a government not totally absorbed in themselves and getting on with governing.

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          if by campaigning julia means talking - yes- she can talk but who wanted to listen any more.
                                          she seemed to go into this prosletysing trance - gazing ahead and droning on ... what more did she have to say? ... thats why tvs were turning the moment she appeared
                                          Nancy

                                          Nancy
                                          When did she realise she had made a mistake about Carr, and what did she do about it? In fact with all these things she now thinks was a mistake, what did she ever do to correct one? Can we have a list of mistakes, and their costs , drawn up, and published. Make a good last chapter for her book?
                                          greg

                                          greg
                                          If Julia thinks being asked by a member of the Canberra press gallery " what can we do to help " is getting beaten up, she's still young and naive.

                                          Leslie

                                          Leslie
                                          I'm no fan of the ALP but I thought Bob Carr was one of the few relatively successful ministers in the recent and unlamented government, and far more realistic and "diplomatic" than Kevin Rudd who delighted in meddling where it was not warranted, lecturing others about their perceived shortcomings and having periodic tantrums when he didn't get his own way. Rudd  may have worked hard in comparison to Carr, I wouldn't know, but it was to very little effect; in any case, Julia Gillard is not someone I would readily believe without strong corroborative evidence.

                                          Mouse

                                          Mouse
                                          @Leslie  KRudd has perfected the "Lookee-me-I'm-so-busy" look and he does run around doing heaps. It is just that his 'heaps' don't end up amounting to much at all. Nail one foot to the floor and around and around and around it goes with sparks flying.....kinda like a rotor button!  lol  :o)
                                          charles

                                          charles
                                          @Leslie Could you tell me how many days Carr actually took his seat in the Senate? Not many, if any. Julia is a pet hate but Bob was not voted into office and when he finally achieved that after many jaunts around the world he quit! He was lazy. Gillard was right.

                                          Leslie

                                          Leslie
                                          @charles  Ministers of state often absent themselves from the legislature due to engagements and other official commitments, especially the Foreign Minister who, of necessity, spends a great deal of time overseas, struggling with the rigours of business class travel and less favoured five star hotels. 
                                          Carr wasn't voted into office as a senator but that is the way the constitution works, he filled a casual vacancy so there is very little to be said about that as an issue. Many people seem to believe that K Rudd had a stellar career as a diplomat before entering parliament:he didn't. His performance as PM and Foreign Minister was always compromised by his character flaws which were many and major; he wasn't lazy, quite the opposite but his manic drive mostly alienated people at all levels and defeated his purposes which were many.
                                          Clive

                                          Clive
                                          When she was asked about ther present occupation , did she say pensioner!! Oh No, she rattled off three positions, just imagine how much money this poor afflicted woman is getting, why isn't her pension reduced like mine if I earn too much.
                                          Christopher

                                          Christopher
                                          Gillard beaten up. The comment itself is offensive to anyone with common sense. She is still driving the divisive gender card to the end and she like the jihadists should not be given a natioal platform to spread their misleading and untrue commentary.


                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          one of the things that really irritated me was that julia gillard assigned to herself the role of spokesperson for all women. she never really did anything but use women, the disabled, promising the world but delivering nothing, and forever using our kids .. the photo ops were nauseating.

                                          Christopher

                                          Christopher
                                          @Barbara @Christopher I must admit that her misogany speech even more than the incompetence was the most worrying thing for me. I have 2 great daughters and the damage that speech did to this country by way of spliting society has done more long term harm than any of her blunders. She did not do the youth of this country any favour

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                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          i agree Noel!julia gillard has never won an election.

                                          Noel

                                          Noel
                                          @Barbara @Noel I had trouble editing my post while you replied. Essentially it's the same post as above. (Had to repost).

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          you précised it for me Noel. i was writing the same thing! but i'll add to it if i may ... julia was put in the job by the unions and she stayed there because of her much lauded negotiating skills with the greens and the "independents".
                                          but remember the hysteria when gillard go it? nothing about policy - it was all about being the first female pm. well julia proved she was no golda meir; no angela merkel, maggie thatcher, indira ghandi, benezir bhutto or aung sang suu kyi. she has more than enough of our money to live on now - so julia, please just go away. absence may make the heart grow fonder?

                                          Julie

                                          Julie
                                          @Barbara @Noel  absence may make the heart grow fonder? no, never. We should never forget what this person, the unions and the ALP did to our Nation.

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          agree absolutely Julie - just wishful thinking i suppose ... 
                                          evidently julia doesnt remember that she did better in the opinion polls when she was out of the country...
                                          DES

                                          DES
                                          Well she admits she was wrong,thats a first.J.L made that many mistakes in her short stay at the top perhaps she should now keep a low profile and enjoy her tax payer funded perks.

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          it was a bit of a claytons admission - gillard still thinks she should be in the PMs office - if Carr hadnt been a dud ... if wayne had a clue about anything, if Kev wasnt a so-and-so, that everyone should hate tony abbott as much as she does .... if the stupid voters had only voted her in .... then everything would be as it Should be - according to julia gillard.
                                          L.B.

                                          L.B.
                                          Quote "beaten up by Abbott and Rudd and the Canberra press gallery". OMG - never has a PM had a more cushioned ride from the Canberra press gallery; never has a PM been less taken to task for failings; never has a PM been so praised for doing so little.

                                          Mouse

                                          Mouse
                                          @L.B. " never has a PM been so praised for doing so little." Sorry LB, I beg to differ. KRudd comes a pretty closed 2nd, 3rd and 4th!  lol  :o)
                                          Right! said Fred

                                          Right! said Fred
                                          Julia Gillard's memory seems to be working just fine when it comes to justifying her existence and spinning her "legacy" - pity her memory isn't so good when it comes down to who paid for the renovations of her home or certain missing documents involving the creation of a fraudulent entity the purpose of which was corrupt.

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          julia's going to the US next month to talk about herself. oh god!
                                          i wish someone could set the record straight over there about the damage she and her predecessor/successor, kevin rudd, did to our country - and how reviled they were - and how it seems the majority havent forgiven or forgotten them.

                                          Hamish

                                          Hamish
                                          @Barbara @Right! said Fred I question whether the US is big enough to accommodate the two worst ever PMs to ever be inflicted on Australia. Might I suggest a coup of biblical proportions for a live interview on the David Letterman show during their stay. The clash of egos would be stupendous viewing, add Bob Carr and it would be a full house.

                                          Barbara

                                          Barbara
                                          its just so embarrasing!  i hope julie bishop gets some airtime so they dont get their only impressions of australian politicians from r/g/r.
                                          Jim-Cherna

                                          Jim-Cherna
                                          Gillard compounded the mistake by being Gillard!
                                          But where were the wise men and women MP's that allowed it to happen? And it seems the interview will once more impact on our memories of division, rancour and dysfunction that hallmarks the Labor party.
                                          History will record this incompetent person as the worst PM that our great Nation has ever had or will have...

                                          Ian

                                          Ian
                                          No fan Of Gillard, certainly no fan of Rudd but no fan of the current PM either -- Knighthoods... seriously is he having a joke on the nation??? Fiscal Conservative????  well the Paid Parental scheme says it all... Kevin Andrews, Pyne, Brandis and Hockey have performed poorly.
                                          So I understand the sentiment about Rudd and Gillard, but the current mob are very ordinary. Also don't forget where the structural deficit started which created the budget "emergency" .. Howard
                                          Please step up, the next generation of leaders on both sides of politics. We are surely at the bottom of the talent curve at present.

                                          arlys

                                          arlys
                                          @Ian  I am yet to hear you complain of Leigh Sales of the ABC getting her full PPL. But the girl who does her makeup is not entitled to it. I thought the left values are, everyone is equal?

                                          Ian

                                          Ian
                                          @arlys @Ian  One. I vote centre-right ... that is Liberal Two: I try and take the blinkers off to look at issues dispassionately: Three: what individual companies, entities organize for their staff is their choice... we don't need a government funded 22 billion dollar program over the forward estimates funded by a levy on companies... sorry but it does not appeal to my economic philosophy.. nor I suspect to many investment banking economists ( are they leftists as well? )
                                          Jim-Cherna

                                          Jim-Cherna
                                          @Ian if 'knighthoods' is front and centre being the worst you can come up with for Abbott we're in good shape. 
                                          Now here is the challenge, Ian: come up with one achievement from the 6 year dysfunctional tenure by Labor that did good for our great Nation without getting us into debt, was fully funded, did not require borrowings, did not do harm to some, did not create farce or draw criticism, did not end up in sleaze, and was not overprice... Bet you can't come up with so much as ONE thing!
                                          My wife has the correct angle on the PPL she asks why is it that Tanya and the rest of the Labor staff, and all the public servants get a full PPL whilst she has to get by on a basic wage for a shorter time; she goes on to say that its unfair making her feel inferior to the taxpayer (that includes her as well) funded public servants... I digress, back to the challenge Ian.


                                          DES

                                          DES
                                          @Jim-Cherna  I think Ian is out of Ammo,well put Jim-Cherna

                                          Ian

                                          Ian
                                          @DES @Jim-Cherna  Oh Des, well put Jim??? not sure what happened to my response to Jim but here I will try again
                                          Did you read my post? Did I say I was a fan of Gillard, Rudd? No... it is not that hard.
                                          The comment was about the poor state of politics that has sunk to a low ebb and the current government/leader are very ordinary indeed.
                                          So Des tell me, here is another challenge? In a fiscal emergency is it fiscally prudent to bring in a PPL?? Have a chat to a few economists , I think you will find you are out of ammo
                                          See I can vote Liberal and be highly critical at the same time

                                          Brian

                                          Brian
                                          @Ian Er Ian, the knighthoods and Dames as the top level of the Order of Australia was a Gough Whitlamism.  Good Labor policy.  I am surprised that someone who describes himself as Liberal 2 or Centre Right (which I think is stretching the truth somewhat) supports Labor's 2 class system.  Public servants and ABC get an exceedingly generous PPL, funded by those who actually work for a living but have no such entitlement. 

                                          Ian

                                          Ian
                                          @Brian @Ian  My gosh I think I will need to retire from this forum - Yes, I am firmly in the Liberal camp-- (Yes I admit the Turnbull camp-)
                                          Well are knighthoods and Dames Labor policy now..or  in fact that of the majority of the Liberal Party room??
                                          And Brian I suspect my economics may be to the right of you as a lover of neo liberalism and globalization. Don't worry Brian I suspect those socialists in Europe would embrace the PPL- you will find a sympathetic ear there.



                                          Irene

                                          Irene
                                          Ian, this is a gentle reminder to answer Jim-Cherma's question.

                                          Ian

                                          Ian
                                          @Irene WHY DO I NEED to answer Jim's question? It's simply irrelevant because I was NOT making a case for Rudd or Gillard.  I believe they were a dysfunctional government . If you want one achievement - how about the apology made by Rudd to the stolen generation? Does that satisfy you?.
                                          What is this? You're upset because I criticized both sides of the political spectrum?
                                          Seriously.. is this a game?

                                          Paul

                                          Paul
                                          @Ian @Irene Hi Ian.  Most of us realize that Rudd's apology was "Look at Me" grandstanding and not really genuine and what did it achieve anyhow!
                                          Jonathan

                                          Jonathan
                                          @Ian @Irene Irene, the apology did nothing - it was merely symbolic.Ask any Aborigine.  Like everything the Dudd did, it was all for show. Compare that with the current PM who goes out and gets his hands dirty, so he can understand our first people's problems. 
                                          Christopher

                                          Christopher
                                          @Ian Ian I hope you realise that it was the Labor loving, femisistic, republican GG  with the help of JG that snuck out and got GG her Damehood. Maybe Abbott just thought that if anyone deserves a Knighthood/Dame it should be someone that has represent our country at the highest level, in the toughest times and always to the highest standard

                                          Paul

                                          Paul
                                          @Christopher Hi Christopher.  Ian also conveniently forgets that we are not yet a Republic and Queen Elizabeth is still our Head of State and not to forget our British heritage, which most of us are proud of, which the left finds cringe worthy!
                                          Jonathan

                                          Jonathan
                                          @Ian Ian, you must be a lefty fan to praise former PMs Gillard and the Dudd. The current PM, Abbott, is doing a marvellous job. He does not rant and rave, he is not a media tart, has done a wonderful job o/s - look at how they are praising him overseas. I really do feel we have adults in charge now. Everything he does is considered. I also like the character of PM Abbott - notice his cycling mates are old mates, not new ones he has to find - shows the character of the man, along with a lifetime dedicated to charitable work. 

                                          PM Abbott has such a mess to fix. You blame Howard, but he handed Labor no debt so your Howard rant is just that, a rant. Costello said we had a "tsunami" coming and everyone laughed. You only need to look at NZ, who was hit more than Australia. They let the recession wash over them during the GFC and are in a marvellous position now. I remember thinking what PM Keys was doing - no stimulus - and said it would be a test as to who was right. 

                                          Unfortunately the left cannot see how good the current govt is. People are saying the Coalition are for big earners, as he took thinks off the lower socio economic people. Trouble is if people on low wages worked harder, like top earners, they would be a lot better off. The govt has nothing to take from higher earners as they receive no handouts. 
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