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16/9 UN's mild climate change message will be lost in alarmist translation

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UN's mild climate change message will be lost in alarmist translation

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ON September 26, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will present the summary of its most recent assessment report, the fifth in 23 years.
Although the IPCC is not perfect - it famously predicted that all Himalayan glaciers would be gone in 2035, when the more likely year is 2350 - its many experts generally give us the best information on the fractious issue of global warming.
Because of extensive leaks, the report's contents are mostly known. And, because we have done this four times already, how the report will play out politically is also mostly known. But because 20 years of efforts to address climate change have not amounted to anything serious, it might be worth exploring a different strategy this time.
The new report's fundamental conclusion will be that global warming is real and mostly our own doing. Much will be said and written about the fact that the IPCC is now even more certain (95 per cent, up from 90 per cent in 2007) that humans have caused more than half of the global rise in temperature since 1950. But this merely confirms what we have known for a long time - that burning fossil fuels emits carbon dioxide, which tends to warm the planet. As climate scientist Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M University tweeted: "Summary of upcoming IPCC report: 'Exactly what we told you in 2007, 2001, 1995, 1990 reports' "
More specifically, the report's June draft shows "similar" temperature rises to the earlier reports, about 1C-3.7C by the end of the century. For sea-level rise, the IPCC now includes modelling of glacier responses of 3cm-20cm, leading to a higher total estimate of 40cm-62cm by century's end - much lower than the exaggerated and scary figure of 1m-2m of sea-level rise that many environmental activists, and even some media outlets, bandy about.
Similarly, the IPCC has allowed for lower temperature rises by reducing the lower end of its estimate of so-called climate sensitivity. It is also less certain that humans have caused hurricane and drought events since 1950. The 2007 report was more than 50 per cent certain that they have; now it is less than 21 per cent certain. Yet these sensible and moderate findings will be met with a predictable wall of alarmism. Many will mimic the blogger Joe Romm, who has declared that "this ultra-conservative and instantly obsolete report ignores the latest science", and continues to claim 5C temperature rises and six-foot (1.83m) sea-level rises.
Romm and many others made similar arguments following the release of the 2007 IPCC report, claiming that the latest, much more alarming, research had been left out. The bigger problem for the IPCC is that global temperature has risen little or not at all in the past 10-20 years. To be clear, this slowdown does not mean that there is no global warming - there is; but it does call into question how much.
To its credit, the IPCC admits that "models do not generally reproduce the observed reduction in the surface warming trend over the last 10-15 years". This matters, because if the models overshoot for recent decades, the century-long forecasts are open to doubt.
Compared with the actual temperature rise since 1980, the average of 32 top climate models (the so-called CMIP5) overestimates it by 71-159 per cent. A new Nature Climate Change study shows the prevailing climate models produced estimates that overshot the temperature rise over the past 15 years by more than 300 per cent.
Several studies from this year show that the slowdown could be caused by a natural cycle in the Atlantic or Pacific that caused temperatures to rise more in the 1980s and 1990s but that has slowed or stopped global warming now. Global warming is real, but it has probably been exaggerated in the past, just as it is being underestimated now.
This highlights the fact that the IPCC has always claimed only that more than half of the temperature rise is due to humans, although in public discussion it has usually been interpreted as all. As the IPCC emphasises, climate change is a problem. But the report contains none of the media's typical apocalyptic scenarios, no alarmism, and no demands from natural scientists to cut emissions by X per cent or to lavish subsidies on solar panels. All of this is almost certain to be lost in the hullabaloo from lobbyists clamouring for action and media hungry for bad news. Indeed, though the IPCC, according to its own principles, is a policy-neutral organisation, its head, Rajendra Pachauri, will feed the frenzy by insisting that "humanity has pushed the world's climate system to the brink", and that we need to complete a "transition away from fossil fuels", maybe with some kind of "price of carbon".
As a result, the likely outcome of the report's release will be more of the same: a welter of scary scenarios, followed by politicians promising huge carbon cuts and expensive policies that have virtually no impact on climate change. Maybe we should try to alter this scenario. We should accept that there is global warming. But we should also accept that current policies are costly and have little upside. The European Union will pay $250 billion for its current climate policies each and every year for 87 years. For almost $20 trillion, temperatures by the end of the century will be reduced by a negligible 0.05C.
The current green-energy technologies still cost far too much and produce far too little to replace existing energy sources. To insist on buying these expensive non-solutions is to put the cart before the horse. What we need is investment in R&D to reduce green energy's cost and boost its scale. When solar and other green technologies can take over cheaply, we will have addressed global warming - without the angst.
Bjorn Lomborg directs the Copenhagen Consensus Centre.

16/9 editorial Climate science far from settled

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Climate science far from settled

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THE science of climate change was always inexact, and it is becoming more so with the news climate scientists are preparing to revise down the pace at which climate change is happening and its likely impact.
According to media reports in the US and Britain, leaked documents from the upcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fifth assessment report say climate models overestimated rising temperatures. The leaks suggest the world has been warming at half the rate claimed in the 2007 report. Importantly for policymakers, global temperatures are apparently less sensitive to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide than previously believed.
The chilly Arctic summer that has left nearly 2.5 million more square kilometres of ocean blanketed with ice than at the same time last year, when coverage was at a record low, has also raised questions. Some analysts believe the economic impact of a modest rise in temperatures might be more positive than negative. If more productive farmland were to become available, for example, the drive for more punitive measures to combat carbon pollution would lose further momentum.
While the scientific consensus remains that climate change is real and human activity is having a major, detrimental effect, the world should act in unison to curb emissions. The way forward is through applying scientific expertise to industrial processes. The exploitation of shale gas is already a game changer, especially in the US.
The state of flux in climate science will influence the coming debate in Australia as Tony Abbott seeks to act on his mandate to repeal the carbon tax, but it should also prompt him to assess the exorbitant costs of his "direct action" policy. For years, The Australian has argued that Australia should act in conjunction with the rest of the world to cut carbon pollution, but not ahead of the world. The latest insights reinforce that view.
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letter 16/9 A blink in history

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A blink in history

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THE dismay Graham Lloyd paints on the face of IPCC promoters ("With the carbon tax put on ice, climate science is left to deal with a pause in proceedings", 14-15/9) highlights a flaw in the climate changers' claims.
Over the billions of years our planet has been evolving, it has been forming continents, oceans, shifting plates, and was suffering ice ages separated by warming periods well before the arrival of humans and industry.
Against that scale, the period since we arrived is only a few years, our industry only months and the records on which climate change claims are based are only hours old.
If the IPCC could step back and marvel at the majesty of nature, it might encourage a measure of humility in man, allowing some reason instead of limiting its mental activity to jumping to conclusions.
Grant Gascoigne, Mitchelton, Qld
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Crazy ABC TODAY ON CC 17/9

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http://www.abc.net.au/environment/?topic=climate-change

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/pacific-beat/scientists-criticise-reporting-of-ipcc-leak/1191262


Scientists criticise reporting of IPCC 'leak'

Updated 17 September 2013, 12:08 AEST
When it comes to the science of Climate Change, wrapping your head around the figures can be a daunting task.
And when figures are mis-reported and experts mis-quoted, it can become even harder.
Australian climate scientists have reacted angrily to a story in today's Australian Newspaper which claims a leaked version of a major upcoming report admits the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was wrong in its predictions.
Doctor John Cook from the University of Queensland, is one of them.
He told Pacific Beat the article is one of a series in recent weeks, and the information doesn't come from climate scientists.
Reporter: Timothy Pope
Speaker: Doctor John Cook, Research Fellow in Climate Communication at the Global Change Institute at the University of Queensland

COOK: The article is actually quoting from a UK tabloid, rather than quoting climate scientists or the actual IPCC report.
POPE: Take us through the main point of the article. It says that the IPCC's 2007 Assessment Report claimed that the planet was warming by 0.2 degrees Celsius every ten years and that this leaked update says that it's only 0.12 degrees celsius, which is a reasonable difference. Are those figures accurate?
COOK: I find that actually quite extraordinary that they say that. I went straight to the 2007 report this morning to have a look at what the IPCC actually said and they say that the linear warming trend over the last 50 years was 0.13 degrees celsius per decade, which is almost exactly the same as the accurate value that The Australian is talking about. So they just seem to have made up this 0.2 C per decade number. Even The Australian in this article aren't disputing that carbon dioxide causes warming. What they're talking about is climate sensitivity, which is how sensitive is our climate to a doubling of carbon dioxide.
Now in 2007, the IPCC said that their best estimates, climate sensitivity was three degrees, so if we doubled carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, then we should experience three degrees of global warming.
Now, in the latest IPCC report, which is due in about a week or so, the best estimate, the climate sensitivity is still three degrees celsius, so that hasn't changed at all.
What has changed is the range of very likely value, so they give a best estimate, but then they also give a range of possible values.
Now in the new report coming out and embodying that the report hasn't come out yet, but just based on a version that has been leaked onto the internet, they seem to have updated this range, possible range of values. It's a little bit wider.
POPE: Leaks can't be helpful either, because the nature of a leak is that there's something sensational about it and there's something worth leaking?
COOK: Well yeah, a leak is actually not the most appropriate term here, because just about anyone could sign up and receive the early draft for the IPCC. So these leaks aren't done necessarily by the climate fighters who are writing the reports. They're most likely done just by anyone online, on the internet, who signed up to be a commentator. So it's not like a whistleblower, finding something sensational.
POPE: Do you think there is a prevalence of perhaps wilful misreporting on this subject?
COOK: Ah, that's a good question. And in fact, just over a the last few days, they've been pretty much a misinformation blitz. The Australian has published this article, but there's also been articles written in some of the conservative newspapers in England, as well as The Wall Street Journal, which is a conservative newspaper in America. And all these articles have come out at the same time. They're all saying the same message and they're all misrepresenting the science. So not only has there been a misrepresentation of the science. Currently what we're experiencing is a blitz of misinformation all at the same time, all over the world.
There are actually several stages of climate denial from the most basic where people deny that it's even happening. People might accept that it's happening, but deny that humans are the cause. And then when they finally come to accept humans are causing global warming, then they deny that the impacts are going to be that bad.
And what's interesting is over this last week, we're seeing all the stages of denial coming out at once.
POPE: Is there need for more care perhaps in the way the issue is reported?
COOK: Well, there certainly need for more care the way the mainstream media report it, particularly when you have articles like this one in The Australian, which is actually misrepresenting the science quite badly.
I think you could also argue that the IPCC could communicate things a little clearer as well, but as you say, it is complicated, it is a difficult job and I don't think they're the main culprits, the public confusion. I think the main culprit is articles in conservative newspapers which really only give you pieces of the puzzle and don't give you the overall picture and an accurate picture of what the science is telling us.

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THIS WAS POSTED BY ME around 2 pm today - having heard ABC RADIO NEWS PROMULGATE THIS PAP at 1 07 pm today.

THEY ARE IRRETRIEVABLY, irrevocably, irredeemably MMAAADD!!!
And duplicitous as well!

This is what John Stanley alluded to last night on Paul Murray Live - see my links HERE:

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Scientists conclude humans key factor in global warming

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A report by a team of international scientists concludes there now is no doubt climatic changes are due to humans rather than any other natural factors.
Their report, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, builds on work previously done by scientists in the United States and presents a clear pattern of warming in parts of the atmosphere that is indicative of a human effect.
The only Australian researcher who was part of the team, Professor Tom Wigley of Adelaide University, says it analysed satellite temperature data over 34 years.
He says the team showed there was no other way to explain climatic changes at various atmospheric levels.
Professor Wigley said by looking at temperature changes across atmospheric layers from the Earth's surface to about 20 kilometres skyward the results show clear characteristics of human interference.
"If the sun were the cause of the changes then one would see warming at the surface and in the lower atmosphere and in the upper atmosphere and in fact what we see is the opposite," he said.
"We see warming at the surface and cooling in the upper atmosphere, so that immediately discounts the sun as a causal factor.
"One of the standard sceptic arguments is that all the observed changes are caused by natural variability and often supposed to be due to solar activity. What we have shown beyond a shadow of doubt is that the climate changes we are observing cannot be due to the sun or any other natural factors."
Professor Wigley said the scientific team had concluded there was simply no other way to explain the changes that had occurred since 1979 when weather satellites were introduced.
The team found human influences, primarily greenhouse gases and related pollutants such as sulfur dioxide emissions and gases, had affected the atmospheric concentrations of ozone.

Scientists said study was comprehensive

Professor Wigley said it was probably the most comprehensive study yet done to try to identify the human influence on climate.
"The main thing is that we can identify what is called a human fingerprint, or a distinctive pattern of change in the observational record, and that pattern is derived from climate modelling experiments," he said.
"We look at patterns of change that can be attributed to other things, such as changing output of the sun for example, and we show that those cannot be identified in the observational record.
We can see the human fingerprint, we can't see the fingerprint of any other cause, and so it's pretty obvious that the only explanation is there's been a very distinctive human influence on the patterns of climate change
Prof Tom Wigley
"We can see the human fingerprint, we can't see the fingerprint of any other cause, and so it's pretty obvious that the only explanation is there's been a very distinctive human influence on the patterns of climate change."
The scientists said more had been done to tackle ozone depletion than the effects of greenhouse gases.
"Greenhouses gases trap the warmth in, they allow radiation from the sun to penetrate to the lower layers of the atmosphere, but they don't allow as much outgoing radiation and that's what's called the greenhouse effect," Professor Wigley said.
"Ozone is a little bit different. The ozone hole which is in the upper part of the atmosphere and primarily, but not exclusively, at high latitudes is caused by a group of chemicals called halocarbons.
"Those chemicals are controlled under the Montreal Protocol, so we're solving that problem but because those gases have very long life times - more than a century for some of them - it takes a long time to heal the ozone hole.
"That's still a distinctive part of the human fingerprint that we search for."
Professor Wigley said the data relied on by scientists had a high degree of accuracy.
"We use satellite data that it highly precise and quite accurate that has been available since the late 1970s," he said.
"The main workers are colleagues of mine that work in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, which is part of the US Department of Energy in California."
Professor Wigley has responded to news reports suggesting there has been a recent pause in average global surface temperature rises.
"The issue is the fact that, since about 15 years ago, the rate of warming observed has been less than models predicted that it would be, so that could imply that the models are wrong," he said.
"But in fact the real answer is that the heat that normally would accumulate in the atmosphere, and we know this from observational data, has gone into the deeper ocean.
"It's an unusual event, but it's just part of the natural variability of the climate system, so we do understand why there has been this slow down in warming and it's certainly nothing to do with the credibility of climate models."
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22/9 Scientists' uphill battle to turn climate sceptics

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NASA arctic ice image
An image provided by NASA shows an area of the Arctic sea ice pack roughly northeast of the New Siberian Islands - sea ice dominates the lower left half of the image; open ocean and cloud formations can be seen in the upper right. Source: NASA
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AS professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, Peter Wadhams is as familiar as anyone with the Arctic ice cap.
He has skimmed across it on sledges, flown over it in planes and even sailed under it in a submarine, using instruments to measure the ice's thickness.
Wadhams, 65, has predicted for years that a long-term shrinking of the ice cap will culminate in disaster. He believes the ice will melt entirely, accelerating a change in climate, and stranding the region's most famous inhabitant, the polar bear.
Last year, it seemed the prediction might be coming true. A huge late-summer storm ripped across the 2m square miles of ice. By the time it was over, a quarter of the ice cap had disappeared.
This year, Wadhams wondered if the same thing might happen again, leaving the Arctic partly free of ice. It would have provided a powerful symbol of the threat from climate change - but it was not to be.
Instead, as Wadhams and his colleagues monitored their satellite images and other data, there was another surprise in store. They saw that the ice cap had grown back during the winter. Not only that, but it then held its own during the summer. Last week, when it was probably at its smallest size for the year, it had been restored to its 2m square mile expanse.
The climate sceptics - those who see global warming as a myth or an exaggeration - claimed vindication. "Now it's global cooling" screamed one headline.
Wadhams said the picture was a little more complex than that. "It is true that the ice has grown in extent compared to last year," he said. "But what was not reported is that it is also much thinner. If you look at the total volume there may be a little more ice there than last year, but not much. What's more, it is still far below the long-term average and the overall trend is downwards."
Benny Peiser, the director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a London-based think tank that challenges many aspects of climate science, saw it differently. He seized on reports of the Arctic ice cap's recovery, circulating them to ministers, MPs and other policymakers.
"The science is going nowhere," he said. "Even if you accept the idea that CO2 [carbon dioxide] and other greenhouse gases will warm the world, science cannot tell us by how much or what the effects are. The climate models have failed."
Doubters like Peiser believe the phenomenon of the refrozen north has exposed another flaw in the calculations of climate scientists - especially those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), whose latest assessment is due out this week.
The IPCC's scientific project is one of the most ambitious ever attempted. Its aim is to collate the findings of thousands of researchers around the world and turn their work into a practical guide to climate change in the hope that politicians and the public will act on it.
With big ambitions have come big mistakes, however. Perhaps the worst was in 2010 when the IPCC had to retract one of its most apocalyptic warnings, that climate change could melt most Himalayan glaciers by 2035.
That claim, in the IPCC's 2007 report, was accompanied by the suggestion that rain-fed crops in north Africa could be hit by a 50 per cent decline in yields by 2020. This has also been judged untenable and dropped.
Climate science is now facing a broader challenge since it emerged that global warming has virtually stopped. In the years from 1998 to 2012, the Met Office recorded a rise in surface temperatures of just 0.051C, far below what had been expected.
No wonder a study by the UK Energy Research Centre last week found that the proportion of people who do not believe in climate change has more than quadrupled since 2005: 19 per cent say it is not happening and another 9 per cent are uncertain.
A YouGov poll for The Sunday Times today shows that 39 per cent think the risk has been exaggerated. Only 56 per cent now think the climate is changing as a result of human activity.
The scientists seem baffled that public confidence in their findings is melting faster than a Himalayan glacier, just as they are getting more certain of their ground.
The IPCC's new report, to be released this Friday, will say humanity's emissions have already warmed the Earth by around 0.7C - and could push temperatures up by between 2.6C and 4.8C by 2100 if the emissions keep rising, with 3.7C the most likely figure.
Today about 500 scientists and civil servants from all over the world are flying into Stockholm to put the final touches to the "fifth assessment report", an account of how greenhouse gases are affecting the Earth.
The meeting, in a former brewery, will also generate a sober 30-page document advising politicians on how to respond.
A leaked draft says climate change has been having significant impacts since 1950. "The atmosphere and ocean have warmed; the extent and volume of snow and ice have diminished; and sea level has risen," says the draft.
On temperature, it points out that "each of the last three decades has been warmer than all preceding decades since 1850, and the first decade of the 21st century was the warmest".
What is more, it warns that warming is likely to accelerate. Since 1951 global temperatures have increased by 0.13C a decade. If CO2 emissions keep going up, it says, temperatures could eventually rise around twice as fast.
The report says sea levels are rising by 3mm a year, a rate that is also likely to accelerate as the world warms.
Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at Oxford and a lead author for the IPCC, said the report would present solutions as well as problems.
"If we want to limit average global temperature rises to 2C or less, then we have to limit the total carbon dumped in the atmosphere to about one trillion tonnes," he said.
"Since 1700 we have released about half a trillion tonnes, but we are burning fossil fuels so fast that we are on course to release the trillionth tonne in 2040. We would need to start cutting emissions by an average of 2.5 per cent a year from now to keep below that limit. But instead emissions are actually rising at around 2-3 per cent."
Some argue that Britain need not worry too much. Studies suggest there may be some benefits in the short term from warmer weather, not least a boost for tourism and cuts in the cost of heating homes in winter.
Professor Stephen Belcher, head of the Met Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, disagrees. He warns that climate change is already raising the risk of extreme weather events such as the European heatwave in 2003, when the hottest summer for at least 500 years was said to have caused 70,000 premature deaths.
"Such events are now about twice as likely because of greenhouse gas emissions," Belcher said.
Claims of this kind are greeted more and more warily by policymakers and the public, however. Some are put off because climate change has been exploited to further the agenda of anti-capitalist greens opposed to economic growth.
In America that perception has seen opposition to climate science crystallising in the Republican party.
In Australia, the recent election propelled Tony Abbott's Liberal party to power after a campaign in which he expressed scepticism about climate change and opposition to Labor taxes on carbon emissions.
In Britain, by contrast, climate change policies have had cross-party support so far. But there are many who want that to change, especially among Conservatives, where senior figures such as Lord Lawson, the former chancellor, have questioned climate science. Owen Paterson, the environment secretary, and George Osborne, the chancellor, have expressed scepticism about measures to counter warming.
Such tensions mean an interesting time ahead for Sir Mark Walport, the government's chief scientist, who, over the coming weeks and months, will be briefing David Cameron and his ministers on the IPCC's findings and how to respond.
"There are some uncertainties about the future, but what's clear is that if we continue to emit greenhouse gases then we are heading for trouble," Walport said.
Lord Stern, president of the British Academy and professor of economics at the London School of Economics, has put forward radical plans.
"If temperatures rose 3C it would produce mass migration around the world. Areas like southern Europe could become uninhabitable," he said. "Our current economic models need to be changed to take account of the cost of this. In Britain, for example, it means decarbonising all our electricity and transport within 20 years."
The idea is to convert the nation's electricity generation to low carbon sources such as nuclear, wind and solar - and then use that power to run our cars (which will be largely electric by then) and our homes.
Geoengineering is another solution discussed by the IPCC - but without much optimism. It looks at the idea of launching giant mirrors into space to deflect sunlight and acknowledges that this would have the "potential to substantially offset a global temperature rise".
Such an approach would be technologically highly challenging, warns the report, and would "modify the global water cycle", meaning it would alter weather systems. What is more, if the mirror were damaged, for example by a meteor, the planet would experience a sudden surge in temperature.
Another approach is to try to strip CO2 from the atmosphere, for example by using minerals or chemicals that react with it as air passes over them. Some scientists have proposed building forests of artificial trees treated with CO2-absorbing chemicals. But the IPCC report warns that this too is beset with problems, not least the cost.
What seems clear is that whatever our response to climate change, whether it is geoengineering or replacing fossil-fuelled electricity generation with low-carbon power stations and wind farms, the bills are likely to be astronomical. As long as public confidence in climate science is falling, it would take a brave political leader to sanction spending on that scale.
The Times
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23/9 Companies to get protection from activists' boycotts

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CONSERVATION groups seeking boycotts of products linked to alleged poor environmental practices may soon be liable for prosecution under consumer law.
The move, which could severely hamper market-based campaigns by groups such as Markets for Change and GetUp!, is to be pursued by the Abbott government.
Parliamentary secretary for agriculture Richard Colbeck told The Australian the move would prevent green groups from holding companies to ransom in their markets.
"We'll be looking at the way some of the environmental groups work because we are very concerned about some of the activities they conduct in the markets," Senator Colbeck said. "They have exemptions for secondary boycott activities under the Consumer and Competition Act. We are going to have a complete review of the act.
"And one of the things I'd be looking at would be to bring a level playing field back so that environment groups are required to comply with the same requirements as business and industry."
The move has strong backing within the Liberal and Nationals parties, as well as among sections of the ALP, concerned about groups targeting the customers of timber and agricultural products in campaigns against old-growth logging and live-animal exports.
Section 45D of the act prevents action to hinder or prevent a third person supplying goods to, or buying them from, another person. The law restrains business from unfair dealings and trade unions from dragging third parties into industrial disputes via sympathy strikes or trade boycotts. However, section 45DA exempts people from the secondary boycott provisions if their actions are "substantially related to environmental or consumer protection".
The timber industry has long complained about green groups organising boycotts and campaigns to pressure their customers not to accept products sourced from so-called high-conservation-value forests. The tactic has been used successfully in Australia and in Japan to pressure timber companies such as Gunns and Ta Ann to shift out of contentious forest areas and to adopt top-flight green certification. Senator Colbeck also told The Australian the Coalition would push ahead with its policy to ask UNESCO's World Heritage Committee to rescind the recent Gillard government listing of an additional 100,000ha of Tasmania's forests. "That was our commitment to the Tasmanian people and we intend to carry through with our commitments," he said.
"So we will sit down with our departments and work through processes, as far as that is concerned, and look to see how we go about doing it."
He was not swayed by calls from the timber industry - including the CFMEU forest union, Ta Ann and the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania - for the policy to be scrapped because it would jeopardise environmentalists' support for the sector.
The Tasmanian Forest Agreement - a landmark peace deal three years in the making - has seen the peak green groups join industry on joint trade missions to win back markets lost during the so-called forest wars. However, signatories to the deal fear seeking to unwind the World Heritage listing at the heart of the agreement would destroy it.
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23/9 Coalition bid to fix project paralysis

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MASTER plans for future development of the Great Barrier Reef and the nation's major coal, iron ore and gas regions have been fast-tracked to help deliver a Coalition promise to cut green tape and break the decision-making "paralysis" of the Rudd and Gillard governments.
Environment Minister Greg Hunt said 50 projects had been left stranded by the former government without a decision on whether they even needed to be assessed under bipartisan legislation to protect prime farmland and groundwater.
Mr Hunt has promised to act immediately on the projects and complete strategic plans for the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland, the Pilbara in Western Australia and the Hunter Valley in NSW.
Renewed urgency will be given to joint planning with state governments to manage bushfires in South Australia and development of north Queensland's major urban growth project at Mount Peter, 15km south of Cairns.
Mr Hunt said a master plan of environmental values and commonwealth concerns would enable the creation of a "one-stop shop" for environmental approvals promised by the Coalition.
Future projects would be measured against the strategic assessment template and state governments would be given the power to make assessments.
Writing in The Australian today, the parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, Josh Frydenberg, says an "avalanche of green and red tape stifles investment and innovation, seriously hurting the economy".
Mr Frydenberg, who has responsibility for driving the government's deregulation agenda, has pledged a "paradigm shift" in tackling bureaucracy.
"Ministers will be required to include regulatory impact statements on their submissions as well as establishing their own ministerial advisory committees from which they will seek recommendations on cutting red and green tape," the Liberal MP writes today.
He says the performance of senior members of the public service "will be assessed in part according to their proven record in reducing regulation, with their remuneration calculated accordingly", and the Productivity Commission ordered to determine a framework for auditing the performance of regulatory agencies.
Business groups have lobbied hard for a review of the environmental review process, claiming it is delaying projects and threatening billions of dollars worth of investments.
Labor and the Greens had argued that state governments could not be trusted to make final environmental decisions on behalf of the commonwealth.
Environment groups have warned a full delegation of decision making to the states poses a risk to business of lengthy and expensive delays in the courts.
Mr Hunt said the strategic assessments were a "vital framework that has largely been missing".
Strategic assessments to date had focused on planning for major urban growth corridors rather than industrial projects, he said.
"It is a model where you really begin to look at the deep, long-term cumulative impacts."
Completing the strategic assessment of the Great Barrier Reef and onshore development in co-operation with the Queensland government was the Coalition government's priority.
"I think it is very important for our international commitments as well as to the future wellbeing of the Great Barrier Reef," Mr Hunt said. "The Great Barrier Reef is the No 1 environmental asset in Australia and you need to look at the reef as a whole."
Mr Hunt said he believed it would be possible to complete the strategic assessment of the Great Barrier Reef within two months.
The federal Environment Department has been instructed to have the remaining priority areas assessed and open for public exhibition in the first half of next year.
"The big picture is about achieving two things: a deep strategic assessment of the environment allows proper consideration of cumulative impacts and the connectedness of the region and it allows for a much more streamlined process," Mr Hunt said.
"If you know the environmental concerns of a region you don't have to reinvent them in every case. Everything is then seen against the grand strategic framework of the environment and the economy."
Mr Hunt said environmental decision making had become paralysed in the final months of the Gillard/Rudd government.
He said 50 projects had been left "in complete limbo" because the Labor government had been unable to make a decision on whether they should even be assessed under the new water trigger legislation.
"They didn't make a single decision after the legislation was passed," Mr Hunt said.
"It was not even whether projects should proceed but whether they should even be considered. From my perspective it is a legacy of complete chaos that 50 decisions are left in limbo. It is not right that the law is changed and there is then complete indecision about what you do about it.
"The dying months (of Labor) were a complete paralysis."
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AM: 24/9 Climate Commission to live on as privately funded body

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Climate Commission to live on as privately funded body

Lucy Carter reported this story on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 08:09:00


TIM PALMER: Less than a week after the Abbott Government announced it was scrapping the Climate Commission, its former chief has announced plans to replicate the organisation using private funding. 

Dr Tim Flannery, along with a number of other former climate commissioners, will now head up the Australian Climate Council.

The new Environment Minister, Greg Hunt, says all that shows is that the public shouldn't ever have been funding the Climate Commission at all.

Lucy Carter reports. 

LUCY CARTER: Last week, the Environment Minister, Greg Hunt, called Tim Flannery to tell him he was out of a job. The Government said its decision to scrap the Climate Commission and the Climate Change Authority were cost-cutting measures.

Today, Dr Flannery has bounced back, announcing the creation of a privately funded body, which will include the same experts who were at the helm of the Climate Commission.

TIM FLANNERY: The Council's going to be launched this morning. We exist for one reason, and one reason alone, which is to provide the Australian public with reliable, easily understood information about climate change. We've got a huge challenge ahead of us and this is a very critical time for our nation in terms of making sure we do the right thing. And we're very much focused on making sure the public understands that. 

LUCY CARTER: How's it going to be funded? 

TIM FLANNERY: Well, we've just gone live. We've had our website go live. We've had our first donation from James in Perth which is $15. Over the hour from midnight to 1am this morning we raised $1,000. So things are going very well for us. 

LUCY CARTER: Do you believe there is that groundswell of support to keep it going? 

TIM FLANNERY: Look, the groundswell of support is so evident. I can tell you, and it comes from across the political spectrum. We're seeing, I've had emails from everyone who voted - I voted for X, but I don't want to see this happen. And it is astonishing. I just feel so heartened by it. 

LUCY CARTER: One supporter of the cause is Melbourne's Cameron Neil. On Sunday evening he set up an online petition calling for a publicly funded climate authority. By early this morning he had close to 4,000 signatures.

CAMERON NEIL: I've had private emails from a number of people, you know saying that this is fantastic and, yeah, looking forward to contribute. Some people have said you know I'd only be able to contribute a small amount, like $50 or $100. And other people are up for contributing a lot more. 

I'm confident that we'll see a large percentage of those that will translate to supporting the new Climate Council. 

LUCY CARTER: The Head of the new Australian Climate Council, Dr Tim Flannery, says he hopes their work is taken seriously by the new Environment Minister, Greg Hunt.

TIM FLANNERY: Our Minister has probably a heavier weight upon his shoulders than almost anyone else in Australia at the moment. He's got a very difficult job to do. We want to see him succeed, and we will be supporting him through having an informed public that will hopefully make his job easier. 

LUCY CARTER: The Environment Minister, Greg Hunt.

GREG HUNT: Look, I respect Mr Flannery. I talk with him from time to time, and we have a very genuinely cordial relationship. So I'll read material from everybody, all points on the spectrum. At the end of the day, the Government's primary scientific advice comes from the Bureau of Meteorology and from CSIRO. 

LUCY CARTER: Mr Hunt says he welcomes the news of a privately funded climate authority.

GREG HUNT: That's how democracy should work. That if people want to invest in those with a particular view, they have a right and a freedom to do that, and our job is to make sure that we deal with the core scientific agencies, that we protect the taxpayers funds. The fact that this can be done at the private level shows that taxpayers funds were not required from the outset. 

It was $580,000, which has been saved for the remainder of this year and $1.6 million a year going forwards on the advice I have. We can do things more simply. We can achieve our targets, and we can reduce the bureaucracy. 

LUCY CARTER: The new Australian Climate Council will be officially launched later today.

TIM PALMER: Lucy Carter reporting.

AM 23/9 Most of NBN board offer resignations

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Most of NBN board offer resignations
Sabra Lane reported this story on Monday, September 23, 2013 08:15:00
TIM PALMER: The Climate Change Commission's gone, AusAID has been folded back into another department - now much of the board of the NBN Co looks set to go too. 

The arrival of new Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has sparked a dramatic response at the top of the organisation.

Our chief political correspondent Sabra Lane joins us now from Canberra.

Sabra, what has been the board's response to the gap between themselves and the incoming minister?

SABRA LANE: Well there are seven board members, Tim, and I understand that six of the seven have offered their resignations to the Government. 

I contacted NBN Co this morning for comment. It says the issue is one for the minister and certainly it seems that the resignations are an issue for the two ministers responsible for the NBN - the Finance and Communications Ministers. 

Now, Malcolm Turnbull isn't speaking this morning. But it's known for quite some time that he's been critical of the board, saying that most of them had no experience in rolling out a piece of infrastructure of this magnitude. Now we know that Mike Quigley, the CEO, resigned in July and he's still in place at the moment. 

Mr Turnbull has promised a number of reviews into the NBN if the Coalition did win, and it's understood the first of those, the strategic review, will be underway within the next fortnight. And that review will look at how long it will take and how much it will cost to complete the NBN on the current specifications. It will also spell out the comparison under the Coalition's plan, detailing the time, costs and speeds. 

TIM PALMER: So if there was tension between Malcolm Turnbull when he was in opposition and members of the board, it's seen to fall heavily on what he thought of the board's chairwoman? 

SABRA LANE: That's right. In July he said that Siobhan McKenna did not have the skills or the experience involved to be the chief executive of the company, and certainly that was the suggestion at the time that she might step into the job of CEO when Mike Quigley quit. 

Mr Quigley is still there. He's decided to stay there until a replacement could be found. Mr Turnbull was critical of the board's decision then at the time too to hire a political lobbying firm to lobby the Coalition about the board's talents and experience. He described that at the time as unprecedented. 

Certainly one name that has been nominated as someone who could potentially stand in as the new chairman of NBN Co is the former head of Telstra and Optus, Ziggy Switkowski. 

TIM PALMER: Certainly any gap between the current board and the incoming minister has been not just a matter of competing ideology but it's about competing technology. So what has Telstra been doing regarding the testing of the Coalition's preferred technology, the fibre to the node model?

SABRA LANE: Well it seems it's built a test site in a lab, Tim, and it's certainly the current Government's preferred choice of fibre to the node technology. So Telstra has been using copper taken out from the field and put into a lab and they've teamed it up with what's known as VDSL technology, which is basically noise-cancelling technology, to gain high quality communications with connections using old copper lines. 

Now, Telstra's confirmed this morning it's been testing this. It says it's been going well. But that it hasn't demonstrated its capabilities to anyone just yet. 

TIM PALMER: We’ll wait and see. Chief political correspondent Sabra Lane, from Canberra.

AM: 21/9 Abbott decision to scrap Climate Commission criticised by UK climate action institute

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Abbott decision to scrap Climate Commission criticised by UK climate action institute
Mary Gearin reported this story on Saturday, September 21, 2013 08:07:00
ELIZABETH JACKSON: The Prime Minister's decision this week to scrap the Climate Commission has attracted criticism from overseas.

The Grantham Research Institute in The London School of Economics, is one body that's long advocated more action on climate change.

Its policy and communications director, Bob Ward, spoke to our Europe correspondent Mary Gearin.

BOB WARD: Well I think most people from outside Australia will find this a very strange move. For any government, having a source of independent expert advice on an issue that's as complicated as climate change is really invaluable. And for Mr Abbott to decide that he doesn't want to listen to the experts anymore because he doesn't want to have to deal with climate change is a bit like somebody saying 'I want to get rid of cancer by not listening to the doctors anymore'. It's a completely inexplicable and incomprehensible decision.

MARY GEARIN: Why can't the government rely on experts outside of the Climate Commission - other scientists, other scientific communities within Australia?

BOB WARD: Well one would expect Mr Abbott to listen to all the experts, but all the best climate experts - or most of the best experts - were on the commission. That's an incredibly valuable resource for those scientists to be willing to devote their time to giving the government advice. And Australia now must be wondering whether the government is going to be able to make good decisions if it's decided that it doesn't want to have a commission that gives them expert independent advice about climate change.

MARY GEARIN: Doesn't Tony Abbott have the right to determine his own government's agenda?

BOB WARD: Mr Abbot is free to do anything he wants, but I think he serves the people, and the people will want to know that Mr Abbott is well-informed about the issues that he's making decisions about. Deciding he doesn't want to listen to independent experts about climate change doesn't seem to me like he is being sure about making well-informed decisions.

MARY GEARIN: The Grantham Institute and you personally have come under fire for not supplying independent viewpoints, as you put it. And is it the case then that the Climate Commission and many other bodies haven't won the fight yet; are still struggling to be seen as independent and neutral?

BOB WARD: There's a fairly weak line of argument that opponents of action on climate change use, which is essentially that if you don't agree with their point of view, you're somehow compromised. The fact is that universities are a good source of independent expertise. They don't rely on governments telling them what to do. 

Now politicians may not like the advice that they're getting, and they don't even have to act upon it. But if they decide they're not even willing to listen to the experts, then I think Australians must be asking themselves: 'how is Mr Abbott going to make sure he's making well-informed decisions about climate change?'

ELIZABETH JACKSON: That's Bob Ward, from The London School of Economics' Grantham Research Institute, speaking to Mary Gearin in London.

AM: 20/9 Scientists speak out against GM rice trial vandalism

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Scientists speak out against GM rice trial vandalism
Tom Nightingale reported this story on Friday, September 20, 2013 08:20:00
TIM PALMER: Some of the world's top scientists are speaking out against the vandalism of a trial of genetically modified (GM) rice in the Philippines six weeks ago. 

The rice was being developed to combat vitamin A deficiency, which is responsible for up to three million deaths a year in Africa and South East Asia. 

After anti GM activists destroyed the crop, a former chief scientist of Australia has fired back at the opponents of GM crops as unscientific, comparing them to anti vaccination campaigners.

Tom Nightingale reports. 

TOM NIGHTINGALE: Almost half the world relies on rice as a staple food. But the absence of vitamin A in white rice leads to blindness in children and pregnant women.

Jim Peacock is with the CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) and is formerly a chief scientist of Australia. 

JIM PEACOCK: I'm talking about approximately a million children a year going blind and many of them, most of them dying at an early age. 

TOM NIGHTINGALE: Vitamin A deficiency also hits the body's immune system, so other illnesses become worse. The figures are hard to pin down but the death toll could be nearly three million a year. 

JIM PEACOCK: This is a public health tragedy that we must recognise and appreciate that it can be removed.

TOM NIGHTINGALE: Scientists in the Philippines are trialling genetically modified rice known as golden rice for its distinctive yellow colour. For years it's been tipped as a potential solution to global vitamin A deficiency. But six weeks ago about 400 or so people trampled the crop so that neighbouring properties wouldn't be contaminated.

Jim Peacock sees parallels with the debate about immunising children against diseases.

JIM PEACOCK: I mean it's so easy for the anti-science people, the anti-GM people like Greenpeace, to make statements against the GM in a very general and very often completely inaccurate and a level of misinformation. 

TOM NIGHTINGALE: Thousands of researchers have signed a statement against the destruction. And 11 scientists, including Jim Peacock, are authors of an editorial published today in the journal, Science. 

The ABC spoke to Daniel Ocampo who's a Greenpeace campaigner in Manila.

DANIEL OCAMPO: It is actually incorrect for the scientist to assume that golden rice will be a solution to vitamin A deficiency.

TOM NIGHTINGALE: Greenpeace and others don't believe that genetically modified, or golden rice, is a solution to vitamin A deficiency. 

DANIEL OCAMPO: What's being done in the Philippines is dramatically reduce vitamin A deficiencies in last 10 years and these solutions are already there and they're working. And the funding that is actually being wasted on golden rice should instead be diverted into these working solutions already.

TIM PALMER: Daniel Ocampo, a Greenpeace sustainable agriculture campaigner in the Philippines, speaking with Tom Nightingale.

23/9 ABC outrage! NBN board clean-out could jeopardise project says analyst

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NBN board clean-out could jeopardise project says analyst

Simon Lauder reported this story on Monday, September 23, 2013 12:11:00

PETER LLOYD: Fast, affordable and sooner was the Coalition's election slogan for its national broadband policy.

But how fast and how soon has just been thrown into doubt.

It's understood that all but one of the board members of the NBN (National Broadband Network) have submitted their resignations to the new Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

Now we know that Mr Turnbull has no faith in the board-backed NBN rollout plan.

But are the mass resignations a sign of the board's lack of faith in the new government?

Simon Lauder reports.

SIMON LAUDER: Malcolm Turnbull was not available to talk about the board of NBN Co this morning, but here's what he had to say about it earlier this month, before he was sworn in as the Communications Minister.

MALCOLM TURNBULL: While I have no criticism to make of any of the individuals, it is remarkable that there is nobody on that board who has either run or built or been responsible for building or managing a large telecommunications network. 

And given that is the core business of NBN Co, that is a singular deficiency. 

SIMON LAUDER: The Coalition has previously blamed the board of NBN Co for failing to deliver broadband efficiently. Now it's understood all but one of the seven board members have submitted their resignations, including the chairwoman Siobhan McKenna.

The Government may ask some of them to stay on, including Kerry Schott, who is the former head of Sydney Water and Alison Lansley, a former partner at law firm.

NBN Co chief executive, Mike Quigley, already announced his retirement plans in July, after months of criticism from the Coalition over delays to the NBN rollout.

The new Government means a radical overhaul of contracts the NBN Co will oversee, because the Coalition plans to deliver internet fibre to the node, rather than directly to premises.

It also plans to open the scheme up to greater competition. TPG Telecom has already announced plans to take advantage of that, by connecting fibre to apartment buildings. 

Telecommunications analyst Paul Budde says the resignations show the board doesn't support the Government's plan. 

PAUL BUDDE: It clearly shows that the current board doesn't believe in the plans or, in any case, the information that we've got so far from the Coalition Government on its form of the NBN. 

I think a key issue in my opinion is the fact that if you open up NBN competition to the NBN in cities, and we've already seen some announcements there, that means that it becomes cherry picking. 

You know, you get the profitable areas will be done by the competition, Telstra, TPG whoever. And then NBN Co is left with the non-profitable areas. And obviously will then operate at a loss under the current charter, obviously that's impossible. 

SIMON LAUDER: So you believe the board members don't want a part of it? 

PAUL BUDDE: No, if, I think there's more at stake, Simon. We also, we've seen quite personal attacks from Malcolm Turnbull on board members. And that's very unusual you know; you can criticise the company or policies or strategies, but to be personally attacking also makes it very, very difficult for individual people then to stand up and things like that. There's lots more at stake. 

SIMON LAUDER: The Coalition intends to have the operation of NBN Co reviewed in an audit. It's expected to appoint the former head of Telstra, Ziggy Switkowski, to run the NBN Co and oversee that audit. 

Paul Budde says appointing a new board could delay the National Broadband Network by several years, and the risk is that it may unravel entirely. 

PAUL BUDDE: They mentioned in the running up to the election that none of that would happen. But here we now see that, yes, there will be cherry picking. Yes, the board is resigning. Yes they have to start some massive changes. This is not going to happen in 100 days. 

So yes, Simon, I'm very, very fearful of delays. 

And if you look back in the telecommunications industry over the last decade or two decades, then these sort of massive changes typically take two, three, four years. This is not just 100 days. This could delay the whole situation with several years. 

But if you just want to come in with a big axe and make changes that way, then there's no other way that this is going to take many years to solve it because then everything unravels. 

SIMON LAUDER: Just because most of the NBN board members have offered to resign, it doesn't mean they will. It's now a matter for the Government.

PETER LLOYD: Simon Lauder reporting.

23/9 ABC LUNACY ON ...Cancer experts warn against axing preventative health agency

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Cancer experts warn against axing preventative health agency

James Bennett reported this story on Monday, September 23, 2013 12:28:08

PETER LLOYD: There are reports the Federal Government is planning to close Australia's National Preventative Health Agency.

It's a peak body with a strong record in public health. The closure plan is drawing sharp criticism from cancer experts.

As James Bennett reports.

JAMES BENNETT: Director of Gynaecology at the Royal Women's Hospital, Dr Orla McNnally, says the link between obesity and higher rates of cancer in women is well proven.

ORLA MCNALLY: When you carry extra fat you produce more oestrogen, which is the hormone that stimulates the lining of the womb. And extra fat produces extra oestrogen, stimulates the lining of the womb, which not only leads to cancers but also pre-cancerous conditions of the womb. 

JAMES BENNETT: With new statistics released today showing in Victoria alone a 60 per cent increase in uterine cancer is expected in the coming 15 years, Dr McNally is clear on the vital role preventative health has to play.

So how important are government campaigns and initiatives against obesity then?

ORLA MCNALLY: They're enormously important. Not just for this condition but because of the fact that this isn't the cancer that's going to kill these women, it's the other associated conditions like heart disease and stroke that are going to lead them to die earlier than they should be. 

JAMES BENNETT: Tackling obesity is one of the responsibilities of the Australian National Preventative Health Agency.

Dr McNally's sentiments come amid reports it's facing closure as the Coalition wields the axe. 

A spokeswoman for Health Minister Peter Dutton has this morning released a short written statement in which she's refused to deny rumours of what she termed the agency's suspected closure.

EXCERPT FROM STATEMENT (voicover): The Government has not made any announcement in relation to the agency. 

Preventive health is a priority of the Government. The Department of Health has extensive expertise in this area. Our priority is to achieve the best outcomes as efficiently as possible.

JAMES BENNETT: The clear link cancer experts have drawn between increasing rates of uterine cancer in younger women - 1.8 per cent of females nationwide - and obesity, makes preventative health initiatives doubly important they say because many still want to have children.

Recovering uterine cancer victim Melinda Grant says she was fortunate her diagnosis came later.

MELINDA GRANT: I had 18 month old twins when I was diagnosed with cervical cancer. As you can imagine, pretty devastating when you've got little babies. And went on to have chemotherapy, radiotherapy and brachytherapy, and, which was a rollercoaster ride. 

JAMES BENNETT: You had your diagnosis after having children. But particularly for younger women who mightn't have had that opportunity yet, there's that added difficulty isn't there? 

MELINDA GRANT: Very much so. So obviously my fertility issues weren't a problem really because I had two, and I was very, very happy to have two. But for the younger women diagnosed it's a big issue because obviously with fertility, some women do want to have children or even have more children and that rules it out. 

TODD HARPER: It would be very disappointing if the agency was closed. At a time when we have a majority of adults and about a third of kids overweight; alcohol, tobacco and obesity account for about $6 billion of costs already to the health care system. 

JAMES BENNETT: The CEO of the Cancer Council in Victoria, Todd Harper, says closing the agency would be a short sighted move. 

TODD HARPER: There's no doubt that we are going to see, as a result of obesity now and into the future, increasing deaths from obesity. It's important that we take every step that we can to reduce the amount of obesity in our community, and certainly investing in education campaigns is an important part of that. I certainly hope the move to close ANPHA doesn't go ahead. 

PETER LLOYD: That is the chief executive of the Cancer Council of Victoria, Todd Harper. James Bennett was the reporter.

LATELINE!! 23/9 Global warming continues but rate slows

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Global warming continues but rate slows

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 23/09/2013
Reporter: Margot O'Neill
Human-generated heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide are surging to unprecedented levels in the atmosphere and causing global temperatures to continue to climb, however the rate of temperature rise has slowed and scientists are attempting to discover why. 

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: Last week the Government sacked the Climate Commission, but Lateline can reveal tonight that the Commission will defy the Government's wishes and continue to operate on a voluntary basis with the same commissioners, including Professor Tim Flannery.

The move comes ahead of the release this Friday of the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, updating the science on global warming for the first time in seven years. 

Leaked drafts confirm that global warming is continuing and is largely due to human-generated greenhouse gases. In a moment we'll hear from Australia's new Environment minister, Greg Hunt, but first this report from Margot O'Neill.

MARGOT O'NEILL, REPORTER: Here's what climate scientists say they're sure of: that human-generated heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide are surging to unprecedented levels in the atmosphere and that this is causing global temperatures to continue to climb with records tumbling, including in Australia.

ANDY PITMAN, CLIMATE CHANGE RESEARCH CENTRE, UNSW: We had more days in a row at excessively high temperatures, we broke the all-time continental record for extreme temperature. It's what you would expect to happen as a result of more energy in the system and the more energy in the system is because of CO2.

MARGOT O'NEILL: But over the last 15 years, the rate of global warming has slowed and more recently, almost stalled. Scientists admit they're not sure why. Various theories are being tested. First of all, good old-fashioned variability. There've been decade-long hiatus periods before. Scientists are also modelling whether a prolonged cyclical dip in the sun's energy called a solar minimum has played a role and whether aerosols from increased industrial pollution and volcanic ash have reflected heat away from the Earth's surface. 

Some scientists also believe the climate's sensitivity to increased levels of carbon dioxide may have been overestimated. 

Still, they wonder what's happened to the extra heat generated by accelerating greenhouse gases. If it's not going into surface temperatures, where is the heat going? 

The deep oceans; in particular, the Pacific Ocean.

MATTHEW ENGLAND, CLIMATE CHANGE RESEARCH CENTRE, UNSW: So the oceans are accelerating their uptake of heat, and so as a result, the atmosphere has warmed slightly less over those coupla years. The oceans have already taken up 90 plus per cent, so more than 90 per cent of the heat we've trapped from greenhouse gases has gone into the oceans already.

MARGOT O'NEILL: But even with slower rates of warming recently, the pace of some physical impacts has surprised scientists.

ANDY PITMAN: We've seen a dramatic decrease in Arctic Sea ice. We've seen rapid reductions in snow cover. We've seen permafrost melt. We've seen a rapid increase in ocean heat content. We have seen temperature extremes globally. A lot of these records have been broken during La Ninas, which should be cool periods, particularly over Australia. So, last January, during a la Nina, it should have been an enormously cool summer. The fact it was an enormously warm summer during a La Nina makes those of us in this game very nervous about what's going to happen at the next El Nino.

MARGOT O'NEILL: Scientists stress that a single weather event can't be wholly attributed to climate change, but they believe its signal is increasingly detected in the frequency and intensity of floods and heatwaves.

So where does this inexact timetable for global warming leave policymakers? 

Tim Wilson of the conservative think tank the Institute for Public Affairs believes the Federal Government should now refuse to ratify the second part of the Kyoto treaty committing Australia to more ambitious emission reduction targets.

TIM WILSON, INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS: The Parliament shouldn't ratify the Kyoto extension because it just doesn't put the equivalent action on other countries to cut their emissions in the way that Australia has promised to do so. There'll be no environmental dividend at all, but it will continue to increase the costs on Australia.

MARGOT O'NEILL: New Environment Minister Greg Hunt has previously given in-principle support to the Kyoto treaty extension. But the battle over climate policy is just getting started. 

Last week, the minister abolished the Climate Commission headed by Tim Flannery set up to offer independent assessments to the public. 

But Lateline can confirm that Tim Flannery and the other commissioners have decided to continue on initially as a voluntary body called the Climate Council and will release further reports and engage in ongoing public debate on climate change.

Margot O'Neill, Lateline. 

Do you have a comment or a story idea? Get in touch with the Lateline team by clicking here.

23/9 - Lateline Government will review IPCC report when its released

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Government will review IPCC report when its released

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 23/09/2013
Reporter: Emma Alberici
Environment Minister Greg Hunt discusses the axing of the Climate Commission and the Government's plans for direct action on climate change.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: Joining us from our Parliament House studio is the new Environment minister Greg Hunt. 

Greg Hunt, welcome to Lateline. Thanks very much.

GREG HUNT, ENVIRONMENT MINISTER: And good evening, Emma.

EMMA ALBERICI: Tell me first off, I understand you've been in discussions with the Queensland Government today. Has there been any progress in so far as streamlining approvals around environment, state and federal?

GREG HUNT: Yes, there has. We've dealt with three things this evening. Firstly is the design of the Reef Trust to help protect the Reef on a long-term basis out to 2050. Secondly, some very important environmental progress in terms of dealing with what's known as the Fitzroy Delta or Balaclava Island. I am very hopeful we are able to protect this wonderful area. And the third thing is in terms of the one-stop shop or streamlining approvals. There's more work to be done, but we've reached preliminary points of agreement. We each have to take those back to our respective governments, but the goal is very simple: maintain our environmental standards, but end the duplication and have a single simple process where we protect the environment, but we can also make good, rapid decisions whether it's a green light or a red light.

EMMA ALBERICI: And do suspect - do you have any idea of the magnitude of savings that companies, the Government can expect?

GREG HUNT: Well the Business Council before the election talked about more than a billion dollars of annual savings if we roll these agreements out across the country without any change in environmental standards. New Zealand has a nine-month limit on their environmental assessment process. Everybody says that that is one of the best systems in the world. We should able to match their standards, but also match their timeframes and that means we can get clear decisions in an early period, but with good environmental standards in a way which improves our competitiveness and ends the extraordinary mess. I've just inherited 50 decisions that were in the bottom drawer that couldn't be determined by the previous government. We've got to fix things up like that because they weren't even determinations as to whether or not there would be projects going ahead. It was just whether or not they'd agree to assess the projects. So, we can do things more rapidly, but in a way which protects the environment.

EMMA ALBERICI: Do you expect to follow the New Zealand example and put some sort of upper time limit on approvals?

GREG HUNT: Well we'll do it step by step. Our goal is to match the New Zealand time limit. I'm not proposing legislation to that effect at this stage because we've got to streamline the system so as we end this double dipping. So, the same thing is being approved twice. Let's get one good assessment done and we can aim towards that New Zealand goal of nine months.

EMMA ALBERICI: Now in other breaking news tonight we hear that the Climate Change Commission will continue and the commissioners operating on a voluntary basis. What's your reaction to that news?

GREG HUNT: Look, I wish them good luck. Tim Flannery rang me earlier this evening just to let me know that they were continuing on on a voluntary base and I said that's the great thing about democracy. It's a free country. And it proves our point that the commission didn't have to be a taxpayer-funded body. There is perfect freedom for people to continue to do this. At the governmental level, the primary scientific agency is the Bureau of Meteorology. 1,700 staff. I spoke with the director of the Bureau this evening and invited them to provide a scientific briefing, reaffirmed a complete commitment to their independence, to their original research and to the extraordinary capacity that they give to Australia to look at meteorological questions and broader global questions.

EMMA ALBERICI: So they'll take over the responsibility that was previously in the hands of the Commission, and if so, so they do they have the resources to publish the volumes of material that was being generated by the Commission?

GREG HUNT: Well it's actually the opposite. The Commission didn't have any original scientific capacity. It wasn't doing original scientific work. It was simply collating the views of the Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO and then other bodies from around the world. The Bureau is the originating scientific agency for meteorological matters in Australia for matters relating to climate and matters relating to climate science. The CSIRO also backs those up. So, they are strong, deep, independent scientific agencies whose independence isn't just guaranteed under us, but is welcomed. That's what I love about our system.

EMMA ALBERICI: Now we understand that the IPCC report that will be released this week will confirm what climate scientists have been telling us for some time, that there has been a slowing in the rate of global warming over the last 15 years. Does that give you any particular concerns about the underlying science around sort of man-made climate change and how you should respond?

GREG HUNT: Look, we'll obviously review the report when we see it. I've heard differing versions and differing interpretations already, so I'll respectfully wait to seat report. But the broad point is this: we have bipartisan support for the science. We have bipartisan support for the targets. The disagreement is about the carbon tax and the mechanism because emissions go up, not down under the carbon tax and because it does enormous damage to our cost of living and our economy by being an electricity tax. In short, it doesn't work, but it does do damage. So we can agree on the science and agree on the targets, but disagree fundamentally on something which Mr Rudd himself has already claimed that he has terminated.

EMMA ALBERICI: So given you do agree on the science and believe it's settled, how troubling is it to you personally to see people with public profiles like the Government's chief business advisor Maurice Newman continuing to claim that climate change is a big lie?

GREG HUNT: Well I've just reaffirmed support for Tim Flannery's freedom of speech, for the Climate Commission's freedom of speech and I make that same point about everybody. I think we should be very careful about trying to clamp down on anybody's freedom of speech. That's where we get truth: through the debate, through the competing science, through the differing views. Now, I'll take my primary advice from the Bureau and from the CSIRO. But what a country it would be if suddenly we were to squash people on either side. I think you've got to welcome the differing voices and then make your own judgments. My judgment is that the science is real, that the target should be respected, but that the carbon tax was a just just hopeless means of achieving the outcome, because the emissions go up and electricity goes up.

EMMA ALBERICI: But back to the science - sure. Back to the science specifically, do you see yourself as having a responsibility to build general community consensus around the need for action to mitigate climate change?

GREG HUNT: Well I've made the point very clearly that we not just respect the science, we agree on the science and we agree on the targets. The weird thing about this whole debate over the last few years is that you've had a carbon tax which doesn't do the job and emissions go up, so a government which thought, under the ALP, that it was all about saying you were acting, rather than actually doing something, so you had the worst of all possible worlds. Emissions go up, but economic competitiveness goes down.

EMMA ALBERICI: But with respect, if I can draw you back to the main question, which was: whether you see yourself as having a responsibility in your new role as building a community consensus around the need for action.

GREG HUNT: Well of course, I'm the Environment Minister and my job is to make sure that we do two things: that we understand the challenge and we respond to the challenge. And then the third thing which goes beyond that is to make sure that our actions are sensible and prudent and real. You've gotta remember the pink batts program and the Green Loans programs were all done in the name of action in this space and they were disastrous, they were human disasters, financial disasters, they were disasters for the businesses involved.

EMMA ALBERICI: If we can stick to your particular action, you've said you'll easily meet the five per cent emission reduction target by 2020.

GREG HUNT: Correct.

EMMA ALBERICI: Can you tell us, where is the independent, publicly-available analysis that gives you that confidence that Direct Action can achieve that five per cent target or even something more ambitious?

GREG HUNT: Sure. When we publish the policy on 2nd February, 2010, we also published the work of Frontier Economics as well as a series of additional supporting papers. Now, since that time, a number of things have happened. Firstly, as I've indicated, the actual gap to be closed is less than we had anticipated; in short, we had overbudgeted. That's been confirmed in the early briefings that I've had from the Department of the Environment. The second thing is that the price of abatement or emissions reduction internationally has dropped, which will flow through to the cost of our actions in Australia. And the third thing is, the available pool of practical things that you can do - because the ALP never talked about practical things - such as cleaning up waste coal mine gas, energy efficiency, waste landfill gas, revegetation, rehabilitation of the landscape - that abatement has all increased. So on all three fronts, the conservative parameters we set out three and a half years ago have been well and truly shown to be conservative, and so we'll not just meet our targets, we will do it easily.

EMMA ALBERICI: So can you tell us, if we can meet the five per cent as easily as you suggest, why not have a more ambitious target?

GREG HUNT: Well let's do it step by step, because of course the strange thing about the carbon tax was that emissions went up, not down, from 560 to 637 million tonnes. So our task is to get to the 560 million tonnes. Let's make those steps. And the way to do it is to do practical things, as I say. Energy efficiency, cleaning up waste coal mine gas, cleaning up waste landfill gas, cleaning up power stations. Practical things. And as we progress, we can then revise and see how we are proceeding, but we've set the target, we've set the conditions for any change, and rather than talking big and delivering little, we'd rather deliver what we say and then be in a position to go further down the track.

EMMA ALBERICI: Does your government intend to ratify the second phase of the Kyoto Protocol?

GREG HUNT: Well as you said in your introduction, in opposition, we gave in-principle support. In government, we still have in-principle support. Nothing has changed there. Obviously we will want to see the final text. I think anybody would hope that their government would not sign a blank cheque, but would consider. But really, this is about reaffirming the targets which already have bipartisan support, which are already on the table, to which we've already committed. So simply ratifying just reaffirms the targets to which we've already committed, so it's not really a major issue and I don't think we should make it a major issue. What is a big issue is getting rid of that carbon tax.

EMMA ALBERICI: So does that indicate you will - you do intend to ratify it then?

GREG HUNT: Look, my position remains exactly what it was in opposition, and that is, we have no in-principle problem. We would understandably want to see the text.

EMMA ALBERICI: Now, the Climate Change Authority was due to release a draft report next month on whether to change targets and mitigation activity. Will they be allowed or indeed encouraged to continue that work?

GREG HUNT: Look, we will, as we've said, slim the bureaucracy. That's the Climate Change Commission, the Climate Change Authority, the Energy Security Fund and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. In this case, we have to do it legislatively, so they continue to do their work until the repeal process has been completed. I will be speaking with Bernie Fraser in the coming days. We've exchanged calls. There's no lack of attempt on our respective behalves. But my attitude is that whilst they continue, they should be allowed to proceed with their work.

EMMA ALBERICI: And so you welcome the opportunity to scrutinise their intentions around whether your ambitions should be - whether your targets should be more ambitious?

GREG HUNT: Look, they have a charter and I don't want to interfere with that charter. What I do want to do is say that we already have the Bureau of Meteorology, we have the CSIRO, we have an entire Environment department. They can do the job in three organisations that seven were doing previously. I think Australians want to see smaller bureaucracy. So, we've been very upfront that the role for the Climate Change Authority will cease, but until it does, it can complete its work.

EMMA ALBERICI: Thank you, Greg Hunt, very much for your time this evening.

GREG HUNT: Thanks, Emma. 

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20/9 ABC LATELINE Nothing to celebrate after twenty years of Oslo Accords

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Nothing to celebrate after twenty years of Oslo Accords

20/09/2013 Two decades after Israel and the Palestinians signed the historic olso peace accords, there's little optimism the two sides can successfully negotiate a two-state solution.


Nothing to celebrate after twenty years of Oslo Accords

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 20/09/2013
Reporter: Norman Hermant
Two decades after Israel and the Palestinians signed the historic olso peace accords, there's little optimism the two sides can successfully negotiate a two-state solution.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: With much of the world's attention focused on Syria's civil war, a Middle East milestone has passed quietly.

20 years ago Israel and the Palestinians signed the Oslo Peace Accords at the White House. It seemed at the time as if the long-sought two-state solution and independent Palestinian state alongside Israel was within reach. Two decades on, the Oslo Accords are in tatters. Low-level talks between Israel and the Palestinians have resumed but on both sides there is little optimism.

ABC correspondent Norman Hermant reports from Jerusalem.

NORMAN HERMANT, REPORTER: This was supposed to be the beginning of the end: a conflict between Israel and the Palestinians on the road to resolution. A handshake to seal the peace accords reached in Oslo. In the years since, the Israeli prime minister who signed on was assassinated. Palestinians revolted. Israel endured wave after wave of terrifying bombings and now a wall dividing Palestinians and Israelis is a blunt reminder of how far the dreams of Oslo have faded. 20 years ago, Yossi Beilin was leading Israel's negotiators. What no-one foresaw, he says, is how desperately elements on both sides wanted the deal to die.

YOSSI BEILIN, FMR ISRAELI NEGOTIATOR: We did not take into account enough the strength of adamant minorities who were ready to do whatever possible - to kill the prime minister, to kill innocent people - only in order to prevent a permanent agreement.

NORMAN HERMANT: Oslo, as it's simply known, did not go quietly. Israel pulled out of the Palestinian Gaza Strip in 2005 and, on nearly 40 per cent of the West Bank, Palestinian authority rule has the look of sovereignty. But it's deceptive. The Palestinian leadership is now split with Hamas ruling Gaza and in the West Bank, Israeli settlement construction has rolled on nearly unchecked. Long-time Palestinian negotiator Ghassan Khatib says as the national hopes of ending the Israeli occupation and achieving independence wither, the government's credibility sinks lower and lower.

GHASSAN KHATIB, FMR PALESTINIAN NEGOTIATOR: After 20 years of peacemaking attempts, settlements have doubled, the distance to these legitimate objectives seems to be even longer, farther, that's why the Palestinian leadership seems to be less and less convincing to its people and consequently less and less legitimate.

NORMAN HERMANT: And you don't have to look hard to find Palestinians who believe Oslo has actually been a step back.

AMNEH ALOMARI, PALESTINIAN UNI. STUDENT: We don't see anything good in this thing so as Palestinians we don't see that Oslo agreement is a good thing. It's becoming worse, actually.

NORMAN HERMANT: It's so bad, says this Palestinian journalist, that after years of failed road maps, plans and rounds of dead-end meetings, few readers even want to know.

ABD EL-RAOUF ARNAOUT, AL AYYAM NEWSPAPER: It's becoming boring. That's why if you go to the street or if you talk to the people and tell them that both sides have met today they tell you, "So what?"

NORMAN HERMANT: The Oslo Accords were supposed to put Israel and the Palestinians on the pathway to resolving the most bitter divisions between them: who will control the holy sites of Jerusalem and will this city again be divided and will Palestinians who left or fled Israel be allowed to return? 20 years on, the gaps on those issues remain as wide as ever.

After nearly three years and plenty of prodding from the US, talks between Israel and the Palestinians have started again. Optimists are thin on the ground and many, like Dani Dayan, long-time stalwart of the Israeli settler movement, believe the ultimate objective of negotiations has to change.

DANI DAYAN, YESHA SETTLER COUNCIL: Oslo and the offsprings of Oslo prevent us from taking more innovative thinking. They freeze our thinking in the conventional pattern of two-state formula and that will not happen.

NORMAN HERMANT: That's one thing many Israelis and Palestinians agree on. With every new settlement in the West Bank, the prospects for a two-state solution grow dimmer.

GHASSAN KHATIB: We are moving in a de facto way as a result of the Israeli practices and lack of progress towards two states, we are drifting towards one-state reality.

NORMAN HERMANT: In fact, some Israelis say the best way forward for the Palestinians now may be to call the Israeli hard liners' bluff, give up the dream of statehood and send Israel a simple message.

YOSSI BEILIN: We only want one thing, one person, one vote. That's it. That's it. We are going to be the loyal citizens of Israel if you wish to absorb us and it will be very difficult for the world to say, "No, no, no, no. You don't deserve it."

NORMAN HERMANT: But in one shared Israeli state where Palestinians are full citizens, Jews could soon become a minority, counter to the very core of Zionism. For a democratic Jewish Israel to live, an independent Palestinian state may have to live too. 

Norman Hermant, Lateline.

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19/9 LATELINE Tim Flannery Interview

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Tim Flannery Interview

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 19/09/2013
Reporter: Tony Jones
The former head of the Climate Commission, Tim Flannery, discusses the Commission's role and why the government has decided to abolish it.

Transcript

TONY JONES, PRESENTER: The former Chief Climate Commissioner, Professor Tim Flannery, joins us now from our Melbourne studio. 

Thanks for being there.

TIM FLANNERY, FORMER CHIEF CLIMATE COMMISSIONER: It's a pleasure. A pleasure, Tony.

TONY JONES: Now, you must have known this was coming. Does that make it any easier when the axe falls?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, we have known it's coming for several months and I must give the minister his due. He called me personally and let me know in a timely matter what was happening and that's always good.

TONY JONES: Ya. But does it make it any easier when the axe falls? I mean, even though you knew it was coming, it must hurt.

TIM FLANNERY: Yeah, it does hurt, but it does make it easier to know early exactly what's going on, I think.

TONY JONES: Now you've described the Climate Commission as an apolitical source of facts on climate change. Can there really be any such thing when the science of climate change itself has become so politicised?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, Tony, it's become politicised in this country, but there is a scientific consensus out there and there is a peer-reviewed literature which has been carefully gone over and fact checked and that's what we use as the basis of our work on climate science. When you get to economics, what we did was take the majority view, the overwhelming majority view by world economists on the big picture issues. And of course when it comes to international action, there are facts on the ground there that we reported on as well.

TONY JONES: What does it tell you that the new government doesn't want to have this facility available to them?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, you'd have to ask the Government that. For me, I think there was a - there is a critically important role in keeping the public informed about this complex policy area, because if you don't do that, you won't get good decision-making in the longer-term.

TONY JONES: Just going back to this whole issue of the politicisation of the debate. It has been in a way dominated by political extremes. Even today on the one side you've got David Suzuki calling Tony Abbott's promise to ditch the carbon tax crazy and absolutely suicidal. On the other side you've got sceptics arguing that the global warming movement faces its end days because of a leaked draft of the next IPCC report in a British tabloid newspaper. What is going on with this debate that makes it so prone to extreme arguments?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, it's not like this everywhere, Tony, I'd hasten to just add. Europe is not like this, China's not like this. Australia and the US, it's become highly polarised because I think there are huge vested interests in the fossil fuel area. But there is still - the facts are there, they need to be explained to the public. The extremes at both ends, people need to listen to with scepticism. But it's very, very important that we do get a well-informed public. I keep coming back to that point, Tony, because despite the extremes, despite the polarisation, the political polarisation, there are facts on the ground. Australians are feeling them now as our climate starts to change and they need to understand what's happening.

TONY JONES: The problem is the facts are constantly disputed. For example, The Mail on Sunday headline - that was the British tabloid - says, "The world's top scientists confess global warming is just one quarter of what we thought and computers got the effects of greenhouse gases wrong." And you've just heard our own report of a version of the - of a leaked copy of the same ICC report, evidently. It seems to be a classic case of how you can take the same document, or evidently, and have two different sets of facts come out and be reported in different parts of the media. How does that happen?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, it's very good warning to people not to take supposed leaked documents seriously. This document's coming out in a week or so. We'll see the IPCC report then. It can be properly analysed and properly explained. All too often we're seeing the sceptical end or the end that wants to - the end of the debate that want to see climate - the climate risk downgraded taking these supposed leaked reports and making of it whatever they want. And we won't comment on them at the Commission and most climate scientists won't comment on this sorta stuff. They'll tell you just to wait till you've actually got the report in your hand.

TONY JONES: In your press conference today you said that climate change is a threat that can be overcome. So let me ask you this: can it be overcome by the Direct Action policies which the new government is planning to put in place to reach their limited objectives?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, that's yet to be seen. I'm not - I don't think anyone could tell us that at the moment.

TONY JONES: But isn't that precisely the kind of science that the Commission was meant to be advising on?

TIM FLANNERY: Well, we know so little about this policy at the moment and we have stayed away from politics. We won't comment on policy because that just draws you straight into this political debate and dilutes the authority of your voice when it comes to the facts of climate change. What we try to do is give people the information so they can make up their own minds on this, and that's important.

TONY JONES: OK. But it must be said that you were one of the earliest advocates of the potential for soil carbon techniques as a way of holding carbon in the soil rather than letting it go into the atmosphere. Now the global accounting rules have changed, this does seem to open the way for a substantial use of this technique in the Direct Action policy that Greg Hunt is putting forward. Would you acknowledge that?

TIM FLANNERY: Yeah, look, it's possible. Let's see what happens. Let's see what transpires. Could I say, Tony, before I was the Chief Climate Commissioner, I expressed my own views and some of those have been debated back and forth over time, but when you're working with a team of experts, as we have with the Climate Commission, you can be absolutely rigorous, you can have direct access to the best information and I think quite frankly it's a better model.

TONY JONES: Yep, on the surface there is consensus between both sides of the mainstream of politics in Australia that climate change is real and both of them actually have a consensus target of five per cent emissions reduction by 2020. Does that mean, do you believe, that both sides now respect the science?

TIM FLANNERY: Look, I think that you've gotta look at the policies and then look at the teams. At a policy level, both sides abide by that five per cent reduction target, both of them are standing by the renewable energy target, but there are elements in those parties that will disagree with that. Whether they will win the upper hand in the longer term, who can say? But at the moment, judging by the policies, those two very important elements in Australia's climate response are bipartisan in nature.

TONY JONES: And do you think that either side has the policies in place which would actually enable larger cuts down the track?

TIM FLANNERY: Yes, I think so. I think we've learnt a huge amount over the last couple of years about how you reduce emissions cost effectively. We've seen Australia's emissions from the electricity sector reduce by nearly nine per cent in just a year and that is huge.

TONY JONES: Finally, Tim Flannery, you've suffered public abuse and ridicule from some quarters for taking on this role and I've got to ask you this: was it worth?

TIM FLANNERY: Blood oath it was worth it, mate. You know, it's like a game of rugby, you know. You know you've got to cross that try line with the ball no matter what's thrown at you, and for us that's staying below two degrees. It is making sure that my children and your children and even the sceptics' children have a decent quality of life into the future and that's important.

TONY JONES: Do you worry at all that the role, being so public in such a politicised debate, has damaged your own reputation?

TIM FLANNERY: There's always a cost to anything you do. In trying make a difference, sure, you're gonna make a lot of enemies. So, Tony, that's just part of it and you live with that. But I'm convinced I'm right and I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't.

TONY JONES: I imagine from what you're saying that if you were given - given what you know now as to how the whole thing would unfold, you'd actually do it again, would you?

TIM FLANNERY: Oh, yeah, for sure. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't.

TONY JONES: Tim Flannery, we'll have to leave you there. Thanks very much for coming in to join us tonight.

TIM FLANNERY: Thanks, Tony.


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19/9 LATELINE Government axes Climate Commission

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Government axes Climate Commission

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 19/09/2013
Reporter: Jake Sturmer
The Abbott government has abolished the Climate Commission headed up by Tim Flannery just as the IPCC report predicting sea level rises of a metre by the end of the century, is about to be released.

Transcript

TONY JONES, PRESENTER: The Abbott Government has moved to roll out its climate policy by sacking the Climate Commission.

Packed with eminent scientists and business people, it was created by the Gillard Government to advise on climate policy.

It comes ahead of the latest IPCC report, which the ABC can reveal shows sea levels could rise by a metre by the end of the century.

Environment and science reporter Jake Sturmer has the story.

JAKE STURMER, REPORTER: The message from scientists is clear.

STEVEN SHERWOOD, UNIVERSITY OF NSW: Right now if you look at the rate of increase of carbon dioxide in atmosphere, it's fairly close to the worst-case scenarios that have been looked at by scientists since we started looking at this problem.

JAKE STURMER: Those and a range of other scenarios will be outlined in the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. 

It's not officially released until next Friday, but the ABC has obtained a final draft which shows global temperatures have risen by almost a degree since the pre-industrial era. While average land and sea temperatures will continue to rise, the IPCC predicts anything over four degrees is unlikely this century. And, disturbingly, sea levels could surge by a metre by the end of the century, in part because glaciers and ice sheets are melting faster.

The evidence suggests that continued rising emissions would inevitably lead to a near-complete loss of the Greenland Ice Sheet and a seven-metre sea level rise by the end of the millennium. 

But right now, one thing scientists have been battling to explain is why the rate of surface warming has slowed. The planet's surface is still heating up, but at a slower rate.

JOHN COOK, GLOBAL CHANGE INSTITUTE: Been a lot of studies that have examined this very question over the last couple of years and what the evidence seems to be telling us is that the oceans are taking up most of the heat, most of global warming.

JAKE STURMER: One question that has been answered is the future of the Climate Commission. Tim Flannery got the call from the new Environment minister axing his team.

TIM FLANNERY, FORMER CHIEF CLIMATE COMMISSIONER: It is that you need a well-informed public in order to make the right sort of decisions.

JOURNALIST: But that won't happen now? 

TIM FLANNERY: Maybe the Government will find another way. I'm not aware - it's a good question for government: how will the Australian public remain informed about climate change?

JAKE STURMER: Fulfilling another election promise, Greg Hunt has also moved to close the Climate Change Authority, set up by Labor to provide policy advice. 

Jake Sturmer, Lateline.


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LATELINE 17/9 CHUBB!! - Australia needs a strategic approach to the development of science

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Australia needs a strategic approach to the development of science

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 17/09/2013
Reporter: Emma Alberici
Professor Ian Chubb, Australia's chief scientist discusses Tony Abbott's failure to appoint a Minister for Science and says what is really needed is a 'whole of government' approach to the development of science.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: Ian Chubb was appointed Australia's Chief Scientist two and a half years ago after a distinguished career in the higher education sector, most recently as the vice-chancellor of the Australian National University. He previously trained as a neuroscientist.

In more recent times he was appointed a member of the country's Climate Change Authority. It was tasked with reporting on how the Government could best fulfil its carbon emission reduction targets. Next month the Authority's due to hand down a draft report on whether the plan to scale back greenhouse gases by five per cent by 2020 is ambitious enough. 

But that research might never be released. Tony Abbott has indicated that the Climate Change Authority, along with the Climate Commission and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, are to be abolished. Professor Chubb joined me from Canberra a short time ago. 

Ian Chubb, thanks so much for joining us.

IAN CHUBB, CHIEF SCIENTIST: Pleasure, Emma.

EMMA ALBERICI: Tony Abbott has not appointed a minister for science, research and innovation. I understand it's the first time in 50 years Australia will be without a science minister. Instead, those responsibilities will be shared across portfolios. Is there a benefit to having a specific minister for science?

IAN CHUBB: Well, Emma, I think the real benefit is when you've got a senior minister with influence and a bit of power who's passionate about science and whether they carry the title or not is a separate issue, I think. So my hope is that we do get somebody who's influential enough, influential enough to have an impact on the decisions that are made about science in Australia.

EMMA ALBERICI: Who might that be?

IAN CHUBB: Well, science itself, if you look at the Federal Budget, science is spread over 14 portfolios already. So putting another one in there doesn't actually make a huge amount of difference. What we need is a strategic approach to the development of science. I've been talking about this now publicly for getting on for a year and I think that's the way for us to go. Now, that would involve several ministers, certainly several portfolio areas and I would hope that we can do so with the support of the Prime Minister, build up that strategy, build up that strategic approach, take a different view from the view that we've traditionally taken in Australia and that is to be coherently strategic about science and its growth and development and have the Prime Minister on side.

EMMA ALBERICI: How can you be coherent in an approach without someone specifically driving it?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I'm hoping that's the Prime Minister's role. I think it's a whole-of-government issue, basically and I think that I hope to be able to persuade the Prime Minister that the Prime Minister's Science, Engineering and Innovation Council, which has existed now since 1984 - some time around there - that it would actually take on the role, a different role from the one that it's traditionally had, but it would take on the role of providing that whole-of-government overall strategic vision and development of science in Australia.

EMMA ALBERICI: Australia's already trailing its Asian neighbours in the area of study in terms of science, technology, engineering and maths - and that's at a tertiary level, I mean. Three times as many graduates in China, close to four times as many in Japan. Is that something the new Government needs to be paying particular attention to?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I think that they need to be very much aware of it and to work out what to do about it and I think that one of the issues for us is: how do we make those areas of study so compellingly interesting that more people want to do them? We've tended, I think, to take it a bit for granted. We've assumed that somehow there's some market that will dictate what study options students choose, but people who argue that forget to tell you which market they're talking about: the market today when students are making a choice in Year 10 of school; the market that's operating in two or three years' time when they go to university; the markets that are operating four or five years after that, that is prevailing when they're going into the workforce.

So I think we've got to take a much more strategic, arguably interventionist approach, try to make it compellingly interesting, try to teach science, try to teach engineering innovation as it's practiced, rather than as you might learn about it if you just read from a textbook.

EMMA ALBERICI: There's also not going to be a climate change ministry in the Abbott Government. In fact, one of the first areas of the Canberra bureaucracy slated to be cut are the Climate Change Commission, the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and you're in fact a member of the Climate Change Authority which is also to be scrapped. Has there been a value in these bodies that will be lost in your view?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I think there has been a value. I think that the reality is when you bring the different perspectives to bear to look at the evidence, to tease out the evidence, to put it back together and give advice, then I think there's value in that. I mean, these sorts of issues are not going to go away just because we ignore them. They are things that we're going to have to deal with and grapple with and understand better and then make informed choices, rather than go out there sometime and guess at what we might do or worry about what we didn't do when we had the opportunity and we have to make decisions on the basis of less knowledge than we would otherwise have.

So I think those bodies - I mean I can't speak for them all, I was only on one of them - but the one I was on I thought diligently, constructively, coherently did good work and will produce good advice.

EMMA ALBERICI: So will it be a loss to have that removed from the Government?

IAN CHUBB: Well, yes, it will, in my view, but it will doubtless be compensated for by other bodies and groups and, doubtless, individuals who will be offering advice. The one advantage the Climate Change Authority had or has is that the advice that it gives will be made public and I think that a public disclosure of the sorts of advice you're giving and the reasons you're giving that advice, the evidence on which the advice is based - regardless of which side of the argument it goes - but the evidence that you're presenting is out there for people to have a look at and doubtless argue about.

EMMA ALBERICI: Well, specifically, Tony Abbott has previously signalled that he intends to sack Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery. What's your view on Professor Flannery's contribution to the country's understanding and responses to climate change?

IAN CHUBB: Well, Emma, he's been one of those people who's been out there and been vocal about it for quite some time and I think all of those contributions are valuable. I think that people will bring their different perspectives to bear, they will bring their perspectives to bear on the basis of their own background, their own information, the work they do, the research they do and they will make commentary about that and I think all of that commentary, whichever side of the argument you happen to fall on, but all of that commentary is valuable.

EMMA ALBERICI: As Chief Scientist, what did you make of the 'Australian' newspaper's front page yesterday attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and claiming they drastically overestimated rising temperatures?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I'm a scientist, or I used to be a scientist. I'd like to think that I base my arguments on evidence. I haven't seen the leaked report, the leaked draft report. I don't know as a consequence what it says and I don't know how the final report, when it's eventually released, will compare with the draft report. Draft reports are put out there for people to comment on, to make comments on, to add evidence to or to argue about evidence as presented. And they change. So I wouldn't comment on a newspaper report that's on a leaked draft report when I haven't seen the leaked draft report and I know that draft reports change.

EMMA ALBERICI: But I understand that the new IPCC report due out Friday week will confirm that, while there has been an unprecedented surge in the level of human generated heat-trapping gases like CO2, temperatures have been roughly steady for the past 15 years. Does that give you cause to doubt the science of longer-term warming?

IAN CHUBB: No, it just means that the system is very complex and there are many factors involved and many reasons why certain things might happen at certain times and I'll need to have a look at the report to find out what they believe the explanation is. But atmospheric temperature is one measure. Ocean temperature is another measure. There are all sorts of things going on in this extraordinarily complex system and we need to take them all into account before we draw really hard conclusions, firm conclusions, dogmatic conclusions.

EMMA ALBERICI: The Coalition has previously promised to cut carbon emissions by five per cent on 2000 levels by 2020. But the PM-elect Tony Abbott now says that if his $3.2 billion Direct Action policy doesn't manage to reduce emissions by the five per cent, there'll be no more money poured into that particular scheme. What do you think about that?

IAN CHUBB: Well, a very personal view and I can't speak for the climate scientists and so on around the country or around the world for that matter, but a very personal view is that we do have to do something about mitigating carbon dioxide emissions without destroying the place. So the real question is: how do we do that sensibly? How do we make the case to do that sensibly? How do we bring forward the evidence that's persuasive, that says we do have to do something and we do have to do it sensibly? And by sensible, I mean at an appropriate level and by reducing it by an appropriate amount. And I think all of those factors have to be put on the table and politicians will make their decisions and that's where politics intrudes into the science and they will make a political decision. 

But the scientist's role is to put all the evidence that they can compile, the pros and the cons, the pluses and the minuses, the whatevers - put it on the table so debate can be informed. And it will also involve what the rest of the world is doing. I mean we're not acting alone. Not everybody is acting. So in five years' time I wouldn't speculate what the rest of the world will be doing because I think there are quite substantial changes afoot.

EMMA ALBERICI: Many scientists and climate change mitigation experts now believe that direct action can't work to bring down emissions by five per cent by 2020. How damaging for Australia will it be if we don't meet that target?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I think one of the things for us is that we have to play a part in the global attempts to reduce CO2 emissions or to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. And it's important for a country like Australia, in my view, it's important for a country like Australia to play a role in that and indeed to play a leading role in that. Now, I don't think we should expose ourselves to dramatically negative consequences simply to say we're leading, but I do think that it's important that we don't put our head under our wing and pretend that there's not an issue simply because we're not looking at it anymore.

EMMA ALBERICI: As Australia's Chief Scientist and someone who believes the science in this area of climate change is settled, what do you make of the PM-elect's chief business adviser Maurice Newman today describing climate change as a myth?

IAN CHUBB: I think it's a silly comment.

EMMA ALBERICI: He goes onto say that the money spent on agencies and subsidies pursuing these myths has been wasted.

IAN CHUBB: Well, he still uses the word "myth" so it's still a silly comment.

EMMA ALBERICI: Well, presumably one of the agencies considered to be wasting taxpayers' money was the Climate Change Authority of which you were or are a member. I understand the Authority was due to release a draft report next month on whether five per cent was, in fact, ambitious enough a target. Are you clear on whether the Government intends that report to be completed?

IAN CHUBB: No, I'm not. You'd have to ask the people who run the Climate Change Authority and that's not me.

EMMA ALBERICI: You are a member of it though?

IAN CHUBB: I am, but I don't know where it's up to today.

EMMA ALBERICI: How important is it that that work is continued, in your view?

IAN CHUBB: Well, I think it's important work. I think that it's carefully analytical, very rigorously done, very carefully done and it will present a view and I think it's then up to people to judge it. It's up to politicians to respond to it one way or the other, but I think it's important work to put out there so again, the debate is informed rather than toss words around like "myth".

EMMA ALBERICI: Finally, former Prime Minister John Howard's been booked to deliver this year's Global Warming Policy Foundation lecture in November. The title of his address is One Religion Is Enough.

IAN CHUBB: (chuckles) Oh, yeah.

EMMA ALBERICI: Is it helpful to the debate to paint climate change science as a quasi-religion with believers and nonbelievers?

IAN CHUBB: Well, Emma, there are believers and nonbelievers, I suppose. Personally I'm not a believer, I just look at evidence and I see where the balance of the evidence is going. I think one of the unfortunate things in this area is that it's turned out to be a sort of belief, you know, do you believe in or do you not believe in. I don't, as I said, I don't subscribe to that view of belief. I think that it's important that we put all of the evidence that we can gather on the table. Some of it will be strongly on one side of the argument, there may well be stuff strongly on the other side of an argument. It's always like that in science. And scientists will work out what the balance of probabilities are.

And I think that when we understand that we are talking about the balance of probabilities, we put that evidence out there, we argue that point, people can then turn that into a belief system if they want to. But I don't think scientists do. I think scientists base their argument on evidence rigorously analysed, hotly debated, allowing for as many sides of the argument as you can that are legitimate and legitimately put forward, based on evidence, and they draw some conclusions from it on the balance of probabilities.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We do that for most of the things in our lives. We work out the balance of probability when we get on an aeroplane or when we cross the road. It's our life and science is based on evidence designed to increase the level of probability that allows us to draw certain conclusions from which we can make, take certain actions. And I think that's the important part of it. And I don't think about this as, you know, "I believe". I mean, what would that tell you? I mean, it doesn't tell you very much. It just is a waste of your time and mine for me to do that, quite frankly. I think that it's much better for me to say: I think the evidence is heading in this particular direction and if you want to know about it I'll get as much of it to you as I possibly can.

EMMA ALBERICI: Professor Chubb, I appreciate the time you've taken to speak to us this evening. Thank you.

IAN CHUBB: Okay, Emma, thank you.


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